• No. It's lazy thinking form a bygone era
  • For me it comes down to this question -- if there is a god -- where did god come from? -- if there isn't a god, where did all this stuff come from? Either way, it all came from nothing, so yes, I would consider that a very clever magic trick.
  • No. Very reasonable people with scientific minds allow for the possibility of creation.
  • I think believing in the big bang theory is more magical than creation. I fought with the issue for years as I went from a catholic to an atheist, and now back to believing in creation. The one issue I oculd not accept with the science side and the big bang is that even if it all happened from one molecule, how did that one molecule come from nothing. Where else can it be explained that something came from nothing? So my thinking basically believes that even if the big bang happened, that first molecule had to be PUT there and not just "happened" to just form there from a vacuum.
  • By magical, I assume you're implying 'irrational, illogical, whimisical perhaps?' Then I'd have to say No. Creation makes much more sense to me as opposed to the notion of events merely unfolding on the basis of progressive coincidences -- that my friend, is Magical Thinking in my opinion. Hey ;), you asked buddy.
  • No. It's biblical thinking (from the bible. And even further back, before the bible was ever thought of).
  • The curiosity is a quest for knowledge and how things work. No one knows where it will lead. Sometimes it takes a researcher many years of investigation to yeild results. To compare that to a hacker is an insult. It would be like trivelizing your beliefs into just being basically glorified zealots. Knowlege is always the goal. So much good has come from it. Yes, and bad. But you can't say the church has the exclusive realm of moral decisions. Name one moral decision that couldn't be derived by an atheist. You don't have to be religious to be moral. Morality has a strong evolutionary drive. It benifits everyone to be moral. A lot of bad things have been done in the name of religion.
  • no, everything has had to be created at some point in time, when and how is the big question isnt it?
  • The curiosity in science is not something trivial as you describe. It is the search for trueth and knowledge that drives them. You trivialize some researchers years of effort by saying they are basically glorified hackers. It is as if creationist were characterized as basically glorified storytellers. Science has done a lot that is for the improvement of mankind, but you never know where some research will lead. Historically, christians have been the biggest block to scientific study. Science is morally neutral, but you don't have to be religious to be moral. Evolution actually places a value on moral behaviour. We do better when we treat each other right. That doesn't have to come from the bible, pure logic will say that.
  • Who created the creator?
  • Well, I don't believe in magic either.
  • Is the notion of creation basically magical thinking? as opposed to believing in evolution? Think about it. Both say the universe and life in it started. One side says' by an accident, the other by an entity or God. Stephen Hawking , in his book The Theory of Everything said if you trace everything backwards it will come to a point of a beginning. So it comes down to how? and even Why? did Life start. Evolutionist say everything started with a "Big Bang" and after billions of years things came together at some point to give one planet the right conditions for life. Starting with one cell, somehow this evolved into every form of life on earth. With the complexity of all forms of life, from plant to animal, on this planet, could the answer really be an accident? of course on the other hand the Bible say in Genesis 1: "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" and then goes on to explain the process that God used to make the earth habitable and the creation of plants, animals and humans. Creation as well as evolution agree on a starting point or "Big Bang" But neither one has an answer on time before that point. So it really comes down to what you want to believe, I myself believe that everything was designed and constructed by a thinking being as revealed in the Bible. If you would like to follow the link below it will take you to the article; The Origin of Life, Five questions worth asking. Thanks for reading.
  • "Magical thinking" as it refers to post-hoc, ergo propter hoc logical fallacies? Well, no, I don't think so, in that sense, since that would require someone to see that there is a God and that there is a universe and assume that the God created the universe. But I don't think we even make to that point, since no one directly observes God in the first place, so the antecedent of that logical fallacy isn't even set up properly. In the sense of "magic" meaning something supernatural occurred, then, well, obviously, yes.
  • No. The bible states "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters” And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. See video on Nikola Tesla - But of course if you are thinking God is solid, and sitting with a white beard in a human form, then you will demand that you see God. But you don't demand you see math which is what all science reduces to, or mind. Quantum tells us that particles pop in and out of existence. And yet somehow man demands he sees God before believing, when clearly you cannot. He can use vessels, after all we are all meant to die to self, to be the vessel of the Holy Spirit, and brothers and sisters of the first fruits Christ. So that God may again, be all and in all, to return to Eden, but that is up to us. Are you aware of how many times the bible mentions the word "mystery?" here are the verses:- The bible cannot be understood in a literal or rational sense alone, it was never meant to, it was meant to be read with the spirit. 1 Corinthians 2:13 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. 2 Peter 1:21 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. Hence, the Holy Spirit is required to understand the Holy scriptures, for he is one with the son and the father, and makes known the spiritual mysteries. This is why as an atheist I didn't understand the bible, I thought it a bunch of nonsense and twaddle, and couldn't for the life of me understand why people would bother to read, let alone follow such drivel, however, when I was changed, I understood it, I saw the message, that I'd never seen, and I realised every question I'd ever asked was utter nonsense, it was like trying to explain the colour green to a blind person. And this is the problem the theist has with the atheist. This is also why the bible is concerned about what we say, because God speaks and creates, and we speak and create, we create our situations, and not only does what we speak affect others, but also ourselves. Proverbs 21:23 “Whoever guards his mouth and tongue keeps his soul from troubles.” For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things. But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.” “But those things which proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and they DEFILE a man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies. These are the things which defile a man. Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. “If anyone among you thinks he is religious, and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this one's religion is useless.” Even so the tongue is a little member and boasts great things. See how great a forest a little fire kindles! And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity. The tongue is so set among our members that it DEFILES THE WHOLE BODY, and sets on fire THE COURSE OF NATURE; and it is set on fire by hell. … no man can tame the tongue. It is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in the similitude of God. Out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not to be so. Does a spring send forth fresh water and bitter from the same opening? Can a fig tree, my brethren, bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh.” “He who would love life and see good days, Let him refrain his tongue from evil, And his lips from speaking deceit. So God is telling you, what comes from your mouth affects nature, and your own life, your own health, and this is what we are told by the medical profession, by the psychologists. Why I mention this is because you said "magical," well when you learn that magic is the manipulation of energy, and words are energy, hence praise and cursing, then you will understand magic, this is why the first thing they teach you at school is to "speak and spell." Christ was the light shining in the darkness, but the darkness comprehends it not. The bible is a spiritual teaching, this is the battle of man, between his ha satan (evil inclination flesh nature), and the spirit. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: [a]adultery, [b]fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, [c]murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 [d]gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. “Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies” (1 Corinthians 6:19-20). For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin— Romans 6.6

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