Agreed. Are you sure there are no other documents that pertains to those events, though?

If you can name other religious books from different religions that can match the accuracy of Bible prophecy, then you will have an argument.

Well, this is a whole can of worms, but the Bible is actually really horrible at making prophecies that were fulfilled definitively after they were made. Even sometimes within the framework of the narrative being told. For example, in Gen 15:18, God promises to Abraham himself, *and* to his offspring the entire land of Canaan, yet Abraham himself gets none of it. But even if we ignore that from the narrative itself, the Jews never historically held the entire land as described in the Bible, so many thousands of years later. Isaiah 17 starts out with a prophesy that Damascus will be reduced to rubble and then the royal family will be removed from power. However, whichever royal family Isaiah meant, it was long gone thousands of years ago, and yet the city of Damascus still stands. But, even in the New Testament, Jesus Himself prophesized that he would return before the apostles were dead, and yet here we are nearly 2000 years later... maybe a nitpick, but when he prophesized that the temple of Jerusalem would be destroyed, he specifically said that every stone would be removed. Although the temple was mostly destroyed, the Wailing Wall wouldn't exist if His prophecy was correct. In fact, is there any one prophecy in the Bible that was written explicitly before the event occurred that turned out to be 100% correct?

What you say is off context. You are going way back to Abraham in Genesis, followed with the Jews and their beloved Temple. We are going over prophecies, specifically climate change, world chaos, food shortage, the NWO, solar system changes, nuclear wars and any prophecies that speak of the end of times. What's funny, you are using the Bible vs the Bible. Do you mind sharing any passages from the Quran, the Tripitaka, the Bhagavad Gita or any other religious book to compare them with the Bible?

Of those, I'm most familiar with the Quran. It predicted that the Persian empire would defeat the Romans and take Jerusalem, which did happen, but the timeline given by the Quran was a little off. I suppose the more specific language set itself up for a more spectacular failure, and, ultimately, it was wrong, but, it was almost-right in a more impressive way. But if we look outside of religious texts, there were plenty of predictions made in the secular world that were more accurate. For example, in the 16th century, Nostradamus made predictions about the 21st century, where he said that a "New City" located at latitude 40 degrees 50 minutes would have a tower called "World's Center" that would burn from the top down, causing a fruitless war between two leaders. As you might be aware, the first newsworthy even of the 21st century was the 11 September attacks on the World Trade Center at 40 degrees 43 minutes latitude in New York City, which spawned the war in Afghanistan, which just recently ended with the Taliban retaking the country and resetting it to exactly the way it was before the war. Seems still pretty vague, but there are certain specifics mentioned that still give even the most skeptical people a moment of pause to think about it. Even if I think Nostradamus was saying generic things in a way that people would be able to fill in the blanks to complete the picture after the fact, he was clearly better at it than most religious texts have ever been.

If one only takes the time to read Matthew chapters 24 and 25 you will see this time and age are coming true today. The time of the Tribulation is upon us. It hasn't started yet but will in just a very few years.

bostjan64, you have no argument. The Roman Empire has nothing to do with atheists in foxholes and the end of times. On 9/11, chapter and verse please! The Bible says in the end of times, Jesus will return in all His glory to judge the heavens and the Earth. Preceding Jesus’ return there will be wars and rumors of wars and great calamities such as famine, natural disasters, and plagues.

Thinker, very true.

@Thinker "The time of the Tribulation is upon us." False. Even the Bible says that “But about that day or hour no one knows," so, according to your scripture, it is impossible for you to have any idea when the time of tribulation comes. @Jenny Rizzo there are always wars, have always been wars, since Jesus' time and before Jesus' time. There will always be famines, as there were since Jesus' time and since before Jesus' time. The Romans are clearly relevant since you said the Bible was more accurate with prophetic predictions than the Quran. You cannot logically point at the Bible's predictions of the end times and say that they were proven to be more accurate than the Quran or any document for that matter, because the end times haven't happened, and, if they ever do happen, then no one will be around to note who was correct anyway LOL. You can say that I have no argument, but your point here is illogical. Even coming full circle to your original answer, the Bible says nothing of nuclear bombs, solar flares, biological terrorism, etc. In a more general sense of doomsday, the Bible is absolutely not the only document to ever mention the concept, as I'm sure you must be aware, yet, oddly, that is what you said in your answer, which was the entire reason I commented.

bostjan64, quote: "But about that day or hour no one knows," Jesus made it clear - His followers will know when His return is near by the "signs." Read the Parable of the Fig Tree. Quote: "there are always wars, have always been wars, since Jesus' time and before Jesus' time." But wars then weren't nuclear. This is why Matthew 24:21 says "There will be great suffering such as the world has never before seen and will never again see." Solar flares - (Isaiah 30:26) Biological terrorism - (Psalm 11:5) And the Quran that supposedly predicted 9/11, where?????????????? That's what I thought. *Facepalm*

I know it's tough to separate two different idea threads when the site won't let us punctuate comments into different paragraphs, but the 911 prediction wasn't in the Quran, that was Nostradamus's work. Quatrain I.87 and VI.97 is where he gave the specifics. But, regardless, I think you missed my point, which was that all of these predictions are most often made using the most vague language possible, such that an extensive amount of interpretation is necessarily done by the reader in order to understand the prophecy. No one ever in any religion or in any secular document ever said "I predict that terrorists will fly two jumbo jets into the World Trade Center in New York City on September 11th, 2001." If they did, that would be amazing. Instead, we get absolutely nonspecific stuff like what's in the Bible or the Quran, or stuff that the reader has to interpret with broad strokes like Nostradamus.

Jenny Rizzo, to address your specific Bible verses, none of them say the things that you are telling everyone that they say. Again, it's all heavily interpreted. For example, the suffering during World War II was unprecedented by any previous war. The suffering in WWI was also unprecedented for its time. The suffering during the American Civil War greatly surpassed any suffering in the USA up to that point in time, likewise, in Europe, the suffering during the Napoleonic Wars was unprecedented. And not to downplay the suffering anyone has gone through since WWII, but the general amount of suffering in the world has gotten better since then. That's 7 decades of relative peace. So, to say that *now* is the time of tribulation, specifically citing the fact that the Bible predicted wars that resulted in unprecedented suffering, clearly misses the mark. If you think Isaiah 30:26 describes solar flares, then I think you ought to do more research on solar flares. Those are localized evens on the Sun's surface, not the entire Sun getting brighter. In fact, if the sun got seven times brighter, it would indicate something far worse happening to the sun than what any solar flare could explain. Did you mean another verse than Psalm 11:5? That one doesn't even loosely interpret to anything having to do with biological terrorism!

bostjan64, since 9/11 isn't in the Quran, but now as you say it is a Nostradamus prediction to weasel out from your comments, Nostradamus and the Illuminati worked together for a period of time by means of the Catholic Church before setting up the Illuminati we know today. Nostradamus and The Simpsons who predict ed Donald Trump would be president and many other predictions go hand in hand. 9/11 is also foretold in the $20 dollar bill: https://youtu.be/VPXe42HxFK0 Quote: "to address your specific Bible verses, none of them say the things that you are telling everyone that they say." The Bible is symbolic. You are not going to see the words Bible, nuclear bombs, solar flares, terrorists and any other modern words in the dictionary. To go over each Bible passage I added, the world has seen almost anything you can think of. What has the world not seen that causes great suffering like never seen before according to Matthew 24:21? Name something. Have patience, I will go over the rest of the Bible passages in the upcoming days or weeks.

Okay, since you can't seem to follow along with the lack of paragraph punctuation, I'll split this up: 1. I never said 911 was in the Quran. I said, "if we look outside of religious texts, there were plenty of predictions made in the secular world that were more accurate. For example, in the 16th century, Nostradamus made predictions about the 21st century, where he said that a "New City" located at latitude 40 degrees 50 minutes would have a tower called "World's Center" that would burn from the top down, causing a fruitless war between two leaders." Clearly, this was in reference to irreligious texts, as I had said "outside of religious texts" and I was talking about Nostradamus, since I said "For example ... Nostradamus made predictions..." I know that the fact that I had earlier mentioned the Quran and the fact that we cannot add line breaks in comments makes this a little more difficult to follow. But, either you got confused by the lack of formatting or you are being willfully obtuse in order to make yourself feel better. I guess, either way, what I said is what I said (I haven't edited anything)...

2. The "Illuminati" were founded nearly 2 centuries after Nostradamus made his predictions, so that's also not accurate.

3. Turning a $20 bill into a MAD fold-in that depicts bushes that might look like smoke coming out of two ends of the whitehouse that might look like skyskrapers if you squint hard enough to give yourself a migrane is exactly the kind of vague, after-the-fact horsepocky that I'm talking about. Who made the prediction? The people who built the White House? The people who planted the bushes? The people who made the depiction of the White House that ended up on the $20 bill? The first person to take mind-altering substances before folding up a $20 spot and go "Whoah, dude! Look!"???

4. "What has the world not seen that causes great suffering like never seen before according to Matthew 24:21?" Lots of things. We've never had birds suddenly decide to attack humans for no explicable reason, like in the Alfred Hitchcock movie. If that ever happens, do we acknowledge Hitchcock as the greatest prophet of all time? Of course not. We never had Cthulhu rise from the bottom of the ocean and enslave the human race, as HP Lovecraft fantasized. We've never had a blob from outer space descend upon us and start absorbing small towns, as Robert Bloch wrote about. We've never had a Giant cosmic turtle battle an evil magical clown, like Stephen King wrote about. I could keep going, but I think that this point is already silly enough, and I'm not sure what you were trying to prove. My problem with the statement from you that the Bible is purely symbolic is that you say that, yet also tend to profess that the Bible is literal fact. It can't be purely both - either it is purely symbolic, it is purely fact, or else it is a mixture of the two and therefore no one has any clue which is intended as which. I really believe that the third case is most accurate. The Bible has very great parables in it that teach nifty lessons. The Bible also undoubtedly has a great deal of historical facts in it. But... and I know this is extremely controversial to say, but, the Bible also contains some horrible lessons and some utter make-believe in it that people take as literal facts. It wasn't written by God. It was written by people, and then some other people, many eons later, got together and decided which of those writer people wrote stuff that was good enough to curate into a book. And all of those people were at least a little flawed.

bostjan64, you still have not proven any other religious books that can outdo the Bible. What Nostradamus wrote are not prophecies, they are conspiracies. Quote: "1. I never said 911 was in the Quran." That's a good one. Thanks to Answerbag, we can edit our posts. You can't back up the Quran, but I can back up the Bible and prove 9/11 is predicted in the Bible. (Revelation chapter 17 and 18). "Give back to her as she has given; pay her back double for what she has done. Pour her a double portion from her own cup. In one hour such great wealth has been brought to ruin!" "Every sea captain, and all who travel by ship, the sailors, and all who earn their living from the sea, will stand far off. 18 When they see the smoke of her burning, they will exclaim, Was there ever a city like this great city?"

bostjan64, Over the past 2,000 years, the book of Matthew and Revelation has inspired great paintings, songs and literature. It has been used to justify wars, and has led many Christian groups to believe the end of the world is imminent. Nostradamus who published collections of prophecies that have predicted worldwide events leading up to Y2K believed to be the year the world ended, but this was wrooooooong. *Double Facepalm*

bostjan64, quote: "The "Illuminati" were founded nearly 2 centuries after Nostradamus made his predictions," Nope, Satan started the Illuminati. It was well known in Matthew 4:9... "And saith unto Him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me." The Bible has not predicted the end of the world, as no man knows the day or hour based on Matthew 24:36. Throughout Christian history, there have been believers speculating the prophesied end of times were just about to start. Some audacious ones have even set specific dates. For sure what there is to know by the signs of then and now: progress in reducing nuclear weapon arsenals since the Cold War - the world’s combined inventory of nuclear warheads remains at a very high level.

"bostjan64, you still have not proven any other religious books that can outdo the Bible." - First off, that's not my job. You started off by claiming that only the Bible speaks of the end times. I challenged that as being a dubious claim, and then, when you pushed back, that's when I referenced the Quran and Nostradamus. Why should I have to be the one to disprove a claim that you made as a goalpost move from a claim you made that I already disproved? Secondly, I already told you all of the prophesies in religious texts are all rubbish anyway, so why would I want to produce an example to you that disproves my own point? Thirdly, your best examples *you* gave of the Bible's prophesies that unequivocally came true were all rubbish, with one that didn't even vaguely pertain to anything relevant to what you claimed. I suppose that discussion is already at a dead end, since you cannot show me any instance at all where the Bible claims something would come true and then the actual thing that it claimed would come true came true at a time inarguably after the prediction was made. So let's just take it then that you have faith that what was predicted in the Bible will someday come true and that I don't. In that case, there's really nothing left to disagree about. And I never edited my posts in this thread, ever., and that's a red herring anyway. You are just frustrated because you misread something and can't believe that you could have possibly made a mistake since you think so highly of yourself. As for a passage in Revelation about sea captains and the destruction of an entire port city as a prediction of the bombing of the WTC on 911, I find it hard to believe that even you don't realize how much of a reach that is.

Jenny Rizzo, pertaining to your second comment of the most recent three, about the gospels inspiring a ton of artwork as well as wars, and about how other prophetic texts, both religious and secular, are all silly - I agree. I'd even go further and say that the Bible has played a pivotal role in the survival of some civilizations from the fact that its laws prevented diseases from spreading and its teachings led people to make better decisions.

Regarding your most recent comment: As usual, I agree with 90% of what you say in your comments and answers, but the other 10% just seems to dive off the deep end. Satan founded the Illuminati? Like, do you mean literally or figuratively? If the answer is literally, then I'm sorry I asked - that's just too far out into mystical makebelieve nonsense that there is literally no sane response to that claim. If the answer is figuratively, then my point about the mismatched timeline still stands.

bostjan64, oh, you have made it your job to use any other religious book you wish to use against the Bible. I said in my answer: "Only the Bible speaks of these events." After I mentioned the other most popular religions in the world from Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism - *you chose to use* the Quran and Nostradamus' conspiracies. I have not pushed back at all. I'm still here to back up my claims with the Bible. Quote: "so why would I want to produce an example to you that disproves my own point?" If you can't disprove my answer using other religious books, then you are better off if you welcome other religious people from the popular religions I mentioned to put their religious books against the Bible I highly thump. 9/11 was prophesied in Revelation chapter 17 and 18 2,000 years ago. That's a very and I mean VERY long time before Nostradamus. New York City is "the Great City" according to the world, Nostradamus and how the book of Revelation explains it. Revelation 17:15 "Then the angel said to me, The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages." The United Nations Headquarters is in New York City. Furthermore... Revelation 17:18 "The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the Earth.” The Statue of Liberty does have a cup in her hand. Revelation 17:4" And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:" https://youtu.be/ztetJ9V3BX0 Religious artwork was created for a reason. To understand what is symbolic and what is not, a good rule of thumb is looking for what the thing does within the vision: if the thing accomplishes something, it usually symbolizes something that relates to real life.

bostjan64, in Isaiah 30:26, there have been some discussions among theologians as to whether the sun and the moon will exist in the eternal state. At first glance, 2 Peter 3:10–13 seems to be definitive on the subject, stating that the heavenly bodies will dissolve or melt and that the Earth and her works will be exposed or burned up. 2 Peter 3:10-13 "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the Earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed. 11 Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, 12 waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! 13 But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells." Isaiah 65:17 "For behold, I create new heavens and a new Earth, and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind." Several other passages also speak of the sun and moon after the new heavens and new Earth are created. Whether spoken of negatively relating to some aspect or function not being needed any longer or positively, referring to signs and seasons.

Jenny Rizzo, if I believe the prophesies of all religions are bunk, why would I bother inviting other religious people to come here to debate with you over which is better? If you want to say that the Bible more accurately predicted anything than the Quran, then either you don't know the Bible, you don't know the Quran, or you know neither. You seem to know the Bible, at least well enough to recite verses, although after this conversation, I'm a little confused as to how well you are able to digest the information, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, since we all make mistakes, and you have shown me time and time again that you are quite prideful about your ability to think, and admitting that you made a mistake, whether it is in reading a post, recalling a user's avatar, or posting a verse you didn't intend, seems to be impossible for you to do, even in the face of clear evidence. And I'm sorry, but "a great city will be destroyed at some point in the future" without anything more specific than that is a dumb prophecy. Great cities had been destroyed hundreds of times before Revelation was written, and it's happened possibly even more since. A meeting of people who speak different languages? Same thing. It happens every day. So what is the point? If I predicted that, some day, somewhere on Earth, a person with red hair will eat a cheese sandwich, and it came true one day 2000 years from now, would that make me the next Leonardo DaVinci? LOL My point in bringing up the Quran was that at least whoever wrote it had enough of a spine to make a handful of predictions that at least had one or two specific details. It was wrong, but at least they tried. And yet, despite the predictions being verifiably wrong, it's the world's second largest religion. Go figure. The Bible plays it safe by only speaking of the future in metaphors that can be interpreted to mean just about anything. You seem to believe that these predictions will shock and awe me. Paraphrasing: "everything, someday, will either burn or dissolve, ormelt or something." It sounds like a cop out to me. I don't know why people think this sounds authoritative enough to take seriously. If I said "Behold unto thee, there shall, in that time, be *rumors* of things going astray, and there shall be a great confusion as to where things really are, and nobody will really know where lieth those little things with the sort of raffia work base that has an attachment," do you think anyone would get worked up about it? If you want to say that the Bible purposely obfuscates its prophesies, then, IDK, let's stop caring about them, okay? It's not like they mean anything anyway, whether you believe that the Bible is all make-believe or whether you believe that the prophesies are purposely made misleading to keep people from understanding them, I think that logical outcome that Biblical prophesies are of no practical use is clear.

What about prophesy of Jesus Himself that are just flat out wrong? Matthew 16:28? Matthew 24:34 / Mark 13:30 / Luke 21:32 (must be a *very* important prophesy to be repeated so much throughout the gospels, but the opportunity for it to have happened is *long*, *LONG* gone)? I Peter 4:7 / James 5:8?

bostjan64, quote: "if I believe the prophesies of all religions are bunk, why would I bother inviting other religious people to come here to debate with you over which is better?" That's because you are in no position to try to discredit my religious views - based on my answer, since religious matters are handled by religious people. Quote: "If you want to say that the Bible more accurately predicted anything than the Quran, then either you don't know the Bible," Actually, it is not for you to decide. You either use a religious book to disprove my answer or my answer stands, just as I made it clear," only the Bible speaks of these events." And this is a statement to represent the Christian Faith. You can at least say you are an Atheist so I can validate your comments. It makes sense then that an Atheist wants to debate a Christian.

bostjan64, quote: "I'm a little confused as to how well you are able to digest the information," The same can be said about you. What part are you not understanding, choose a religious book and use it against mine or sit on the sidelines? If it is for the sake of argument, you commented in the right place. I will be here with you as long as you want me to. :D I have not made a mistake. If I did, I would have edit it before you even came across it.

bostjan64, quote: "but "a great city will be destroyed at some point in the future" without anything more specific than that is a dumb prophecy." You said it yourself, that Nostradamus referred to New York City as the Great City. I'll take prophecies from men inspired by God, rather than trust in conspiracies who offer no Savior. The Great City in the Bible is referring to a woman who got paid double to define the Twin Towers. New York City is were all the nations of different tongues/languages gather, and not in the "Great cities that had been destroyed hundreds of times" as you say. *Triple Facepalm*

bostjan64, quote: "If I predicted that, some day, somewhere on Earth, a person with red hair will eat a cheese sandwich, and it came true one day 2000 years from now, would that make me the next Leonardo DaVinci?" First of all, that will never happen, cause you know well you are not a prophet. Second of all, if you claimed to be a prophet, the question is: Which god or goddess would you be leading people to?????????????? In order to be a prophet, you will need some god people can believe in. Your point of bringing up the Quran is totally wrong, now that you failed to defend it. my sword being the Bible is sharp compared to that dull sword you tried to use with the Quran to hold an argument. LOL Too funny!

bostjan64, quote: "everything, someday, will either burn or dissolve, ormelt or something." It sounds like a cop out to me." And someday you will remember that I and other Christians told you so for your blasphemy against biblical prophecy. Quote: "let's stop caring about them, okay? It's not like they mean anything anyway," What I do is my business. You seem more like an Atheist who gets annoyed about Bible Thumpers. Don't hate on Christians, hate on Answerbag for providing a religious category.

bostjan64, in Matthew 16:28, there's nothing wrong with the verse. Jesus referred to John who was sent to the island of Patmo. There, God gave him the revelation that became the book of Revelation. John did not taste death, neither did Moses and Elijah, they have glorified bodies. Going to Matthew 24:34, it is a generation that will not pass away in the Rapture by 1 Thessalonians 4:17. "Caught up in the clouds" by those who endure in Mark 13:30 and Luke 21:32. Romans 5:4-6 "and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, 5 and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us. 6 For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly." 1 Peter 4:7 and James 5:8: this is it. The signs of Jesus' return are there by everything we hear on the news. Perfect sense.

Take a look back at your logical position. You said that only the Bible spoke of the end times, and now, you want me to prove that other religious text (refusing to accept secular texts, because of no reason you gave) are more accurate (which I did already, despite my own objections that you are just throwing out red herrings and moving the goalposts). Now you resort to ad hominem arguments and I have to sift through half a dozen comments to find one valid point. And that point, was to say that John of Patmos ascended to heaven as Moses and Elijah. What reason do you have to believe that?

bostjan64, all my comments are logical. It is evident we are living in the end of times. The Bible describes events, conditions and attitudes, marking the conclusion of the current system of things. Matthew 24:3 "As He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" The key words are: "signs of His coming." Christians do not look for a day or hour, but *signs* Any person who puts a date on the end of the world, as seen before is a false prophet.

bostjan64, really, you haven't proven anything with other religious books. The Quran, the Tripitaka and the Bhagavad Gita representing Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism do not foretell the events we are seeing today in the news. I know, since I have had discussions with Muslims, Buddhists and Hindus who are unable to preach about end of time prophecy. Quote: "John of Patmos ascended to heaven as Moses and Elijah." Nowhere in the Bible does it show the disciple John, Moses and Elijah died. It is prophesied Moses and Elijah will be the 2 witnesses of Revelation chapter 11. The witnesses are given power and are prophesying until they are killed. After laying dead in the street, they are given the breath of God, rise up to God on a cloud while their enemies look on. I believe this will be done in Jerusalem - the Holy city were the Jews will kill them. More logic... Luke 13:34 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing!"

bostjan64, on a side note: go to YouTube and search for "Preaching in Jerusalem." You will see how hostile the Jews are towards Christians. How these 2 witnesses arrive in what the Bible calls glorified bodies is a mystery of God.

Maybe it's subjective, but I, personally, feel like "Satan started the Illuminati. It was well known in Matthew 4:9... 'And saith unto Him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.'" kind of flies in the face of "all my comments are logical." But variety is the spice of life, and you aren't hurting anyone, so you do you!

And if we are in the end times, and have been for thousands of years, then where are all of the key players, like the Beast and the False Prophet, and, most importantly, Jesus? Question two - are you implying the John who wrote Revelation is the same as John the Apostle? Why would you believe that the John who wrote Revelation never died? These are all pretty bold assertions that require some sort of evidence to back up or at least some citation, as they are pretty well outside of the mainstream of Biblical scholarly accepted facts.

bostjan64, Satan is the head of the Illuminati, which brings misery, death and hell. The Biblical church under the control of Jesus Christ brings purity, Eternal Life and Heaven. More facts: the Illuminati is a belief that there is an elitist group of people around the world controlling media, industrial, political, religious, pandemics or better said, plandemics and economic control.

bostjan64, quote: "And if we are in the end times, and have been for thousands of years," Technology wasn't advanced thousands of years ago like it is today. Looking back 50 years ago from the stories I've heard from older people, the average lifestyle for the typical American was completely different. As we become more and more connected to technology, behaviors are evolving for the worst. Matthew 24:12 says in the last days the love of many will grow cold. We see it everyday in society.

You mean wars often can drive one mad?