But that's four things, not three.

It's 5 things if you count The Prince of Peace.

The New Catholic Encyclopedia says: The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the Old Testament. The Blessed Trinity says: The dogma of the Blessed Trinity is a mystery It cannot be proved by reason . It cannot even be proved to be possible. The impression could arise that the Trinitarian dogma is in the last analysis a late 4th-century invention. In a sense, this is true. The formulation one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. New Catholic Encyclopedia

The New Catholic Encyclopedia says: The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the Old Testament. The Blessed Trinity says: The dogma of the Blessed Trinity is a mystery It cannot be proved by reason . It cannot even be proved to be possible. The impression could arise that the Trinitarian dogma is in the last analysis a late 4th-century invention. In a sense, this is true. The formulation one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. New Catholic Encyclopedia

FIVE! Three, sir! Oh, THREE! What silly, cultist nonsense!

BJA, I just proved the Trinity with Isaiah 9:6 in Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Are you another person who can't count?

Chicago, it's really 3 if you put on your eyeglasses. LOL

Many Christian churches teach the idea of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit being three deities in one, and this idea of the trinity actually had its origin in pagan roots. But I don’t believe in it, since if you look closely at the scriptures, you will find they do not support the idea of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit being equal to each other, as will be discussed below: -The father’s superiority to the son: John 14:28-Jesus said: The Father is greater than I am. -Luke 22:42-Moreover, Jesus prayed to his Father, saying: Let, not my will, but yours take place. To whom was he praying if not to a Personage superior to him? -Acts 2:32-And it was God who resurrected Jesus from death, not Jesus himself. -1 Cor 11:3-Jesus did not become equal to his Father after being resurrected to heaven (this scripture was written by the apostle Paul long after Jesus ascended to Heaven). -The father had no beginning whereas the son did. Jehovah the Father had no beginning, Ps 90:2, speaks of him existing from time indefinite to time indefinite. However, Col 1:14-16 describes Jesus as the means by which all things in heaven and earth were created. Verse 15 and Rev 3:14 describe Jesus as the beginning or firstborn of creation. -God’s voice was heard from Heaven while Jesus was on earth. After Jesus got baptized, the Father’s holy spirit came down on Jesus like the image of a dove, then the Father said in a voice ˜This is my Son, whom I have approved (Matt 3:16,17). The Father’s voice came down from Heaven at that moment, and Jesus was of course on the earth at that time. This happened a second time when Jesus was on earth. While he took his apostles Peter, James, and John up to a mountain (Matt 17:5), he was ˜transfigured” (verse 5). At this time, the father’s voice came out of the cloud saying “This is my son, the beloved, whom I have approved. Listen to him.” So they both were in separate places at the same time in both instances. How could they be in two places at one time? -No one can look upon God and live. At Ex 33:20, God told Moses no one can look upon him and live. At John 1:18, Gospel writer John indicates no man at any time has seen God except the only-begotten god, referring to Jesus (John 3:16). By describing Jesus as the only man to have seen God, John must have been talking about Jesus being here on earth. When Jesus was on the earth, he later reaffirmed no one had seen God except he himself (John 6:46). So this principle of not being able to look at Almighty God and keep alive was in effect during Jesus’ time on earth. Of course people saw Jesus when he was on earth. If Jesus was the same as Almighty God, everyone who saw him would have died upon sight of him. At 1 John 4:12, long after Jesus’ death, the apostle John confirmed that no man ever beheld God.

Tarkz, you got the scriptures twisted. Jesus said whatever the Father does the Son does likewise. John 5:19 "Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He seeth the Father do: for what things soever He doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise." Clearly it takes a God to do likewise as the Father.

The Greek word for three is "tria." It means three, trinity, trio and triad: https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/the/greek-word-for-b802f384302cb24fbab0a44997e820bf2e8507bb.html 1 John 5:7 "For there are [three] that bear record in Heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these [three] are one." Whether the three are one or whether the three are in agreement, we can be certain that 1 John 5:7 in Greek mentions the word Trinity.

The Greek word for three is NOT 'tria' it is in Fact 'treis'. You are obviously using a Catholic so-called Bible. 'tria' is actually Latin. Trinity is actually a Catholic invention. see C.C.C. 251 Please also see the links below. The articles on both are v.v.short. I hope this helps. I wa not able tolog-in last week for some reason. https://tinyurl.com/ycmx4gvb https://tinyurl.com/ydylyxo4 The word trinity is not in the OT either. I's a Roman Catholic invention, and its assertion in CCC.251 is fallacious. You cannot base a so-called doctrine on a word that does not exit in Scripture.

1 John5 v 7 KJV does NOT mention the word trinity.

1 John5 v 17 KJV was meant of course.

KJV, quote: "The Greek word for three is NOT 'tria' it is in Fact 'treis'." You have no evidence to say I am using a Catholic bible. Can you get in here and prove it????????????????????? Cause actually I am using the Greek interlinear for the word "tria" that has the noun of "tria" for trinity. 1 John 5:7 clearly points out to the Trinity by: for there are three or a trinity that bear record in Heaven.

I thought every one that had access to the internet knew that the extra words in 1 John 5:7 in LATE manuscripts, commonly referred to as the 'Johannine Comma' were spurious? https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+john+5%3A7-8&version=NASB,HCSB,NRSV,NLT,NIV 7 For there are three that testify: 8 the[a] Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. Footnotes 1 John 5:8 LATE MANUSCRIPTS of the Vulgate testify in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one. 8 And there are three that testify on earth: the (NOT FOUND IN ANY GREEK MANUSCRIPT BEFORE THE FOURTEENTH CENTURY)

Texasescimo, the name Jehovah is not supported in ANY Greek manuscripts. You want to push that spurious name as if it means something, but then claim 1 John 5:7 is not found in any Greek manuscript. That's a double-standard. God’s promise to preserve His words was never in danger of breach of contract, and the true wording of this valuable passage, now called by many the Johannine Comma or as you say everyone who has access to the internet know of the supposedly extra words. Everyone doesn't include me or other believers who believe in the Trinity.

Texasescimo, 1 John 5:7 survived in thousands of copies and translations. Early editors of Greek New Testaments included the text as genuine, even if only after publishing inadequate editions that left it out. Among the believing Church, there was never any widespread doubt as to its genuineness before the 19th century by textual critic F.H.A. Scrivener: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Henry_Ambrose_Scrivener

Nice dodge. The tetragrammaton is in older copies of the Septuagint. Removed in later copies showing a pattern of apostate Christians removing the Divine name while apostate Jews only quit pronouncing it. God's name is in the Hebrew manuscripts almost 7,000 times and you have no problem removing that but to restore it you cry foul? What name was in the verses Jesus quoted? (Matthew 4:4) But he answered: “It is written: ‘Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every word that comes from Jehovah’s mouth.’” (Matthew 4:7) Jesus said to him: “Again it is written: ‘You must not put Jehovah your God to the test.’” (Matthew 4:10) Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” (Matthew 22:43, 44) He asked them: “How is it, then, that David under inspiration calls him Lord, saying, 44?‘Jehovah said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies beneath your feet”’?

Quote: "The tetragrammaton is in older copies of the Septuagint." If the Septuagint supported God's name in the New Testament, you would give me the Greek rendering. Therefore and I say THEREFORE, the passages you added with the name Jehovah are spurious.

None of the original writings that the Bible writers themselves wrote exist. All we have is copies. You know God's name has been removed from translations of the Bible and you have no problem with it. If 50 years from now all Hebrew manuscripts were destroyed and all we had were popular English translations, ones like yourself would scoff that God's name was ever there. (Ezekiel 36:23) ‘And I shall certainly sanctify my great name, which was being profaned among the nations, which YOU profaned in the midst of them; and the nations will have to know that I am Jehovah,’ is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, ‘when I am sanctified among YOU before their eyes. (Ezekiel 38:23) And I shall certainly magnify myself and sanctify myself and make myself known before the eyes of many nations; and they will have to know that I am Jehovah.’ (Matthew 6:9) “YOU must pray, then, this way: “‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. (John 17:6) “I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word. (John 17:26) And I have made your name known to them and will make it known, in order that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.” (Jeremiah 16:21) “Therefore here I am causing them to know; at this one time I shall cause them to know my hand and my mightiness, and they will have to know that my name is Jehovah.”

Texasescimo, quote: "All we have is copies." Then somebody has to have a copy of God's name in Greek. Either you can't find it or you know what we have in the Greek rendering disproves God's name in Hebrew to begin with.

@Mr. Nobody: bankrupt argument. That's like me saying (equally poorly): "Show me the word 'Bible' in Scripture KJV." You won't find that word, or many others that refer to fundamental Christian doctrines, because they were coined centuries AFTER the Biblical documents were authored.

Nothing quite like watching believers argue over what their cult books says... LOL! "I'm right! NO! I AM RIGHT!" LMFAO!!

Chicago, we are glad to entertain you if that's how you see it.

God's personal name in the Bible is Yaweh. Jehovah is a latinization of that name. It's the same sort of thing as if a guy named Miguel, from a Spanish-speaking country, came to an English speaking country and his coworkers insisted on calling him Mike instead. That's what Jehovah is like. Same with "Lucifer," as his only appearance in the Bible was from a mistranslation. Modern translations don't contain the word "Lucifer" anywhere in them. So who is "Lucifer?" He's just a mistranslation of a passage in Isaiah about the planet Venus. Kind of silly, now that there is this deep-seated apocryphal mythos all around the character, but he was never a character at all!

Lucifer definitely means something, it's normally in reference to those who practice Kabbalah, and Gnosticism. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BMgX1E5ij4 https://www.lucistrust.org/arcane_school/talks_and_articles/descent_and_sacrifice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taNrh90WIEI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_an0SXV2gKk Albert Pike 33rd degree freemason - Morals and Dogma quote "Yes, lucifer is god, and unfortunately Adonay is also God, for the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods. darkness being necessary for light to serve as its foil, as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive." “Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled; to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light from them and to draw them away from it.” Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma, pages 104-105 “The Apocalypse is, to those who receive the nineteenth Degree, the Apotheosis of that Sublime Faith which aspires to God alone, and despises all the pomps and works of Lucifer. LUCIFER, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish Souls? Doubt it not! For traditions are full of Divine Revelations and Inspirations: and Inspirations is not of one Age or of one Creed. ” Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma, page 321

https://gnosticteachings.org/glossary/l/2565-lucifer.html Note the Rockfeller centre has Promethus outside of it. The mystery school is very much alive today.

Yes, Linda Joy, I quite agree with you. My country has the same right of freedom of religion. When it comes to our religious beliefs we all do have the right to believe as our life's experiences have led us provided, of course, this doesn't include acts of violence or terrorism. I cannot see anything I stated is what offended you so take it you were referring to others. What I wrote above is precisely that, where my life's experiences have led me. I have had particularly profound experiences, so have studied the NT, in particular, repeatedly and can find only support for my beliefs. re: Your comment, "Heavenly Father, Jesus Christ, and The Holy Spirit are three separate beings that are one in purpose", may I ask, does this lead you to believe Christians are tritheistic?

I am a Christian, and I am tritheistic. Some other Christians believe they are all the same god.

@Linda Joy: [[This is obvious when you read the intercessory prayer and the baptism of Jesus in The Gospels.]] Response: obvious is obvious. That is NOT obvious. In fact, that's not a logical conclusion.