• No, I think it would be more accurate to say that both languages (along with French, Italian, and others) come from a common root language.
  • Portuguese is SO not just bastardized Spanish. It's a mix of Spanish and French, mainly and after three years of French, and two of Italian and Spanish, I just barely got by when I visited Lisbon.
  • Actually, Portugal is the oldest nation in Europe. So to say portuguese is a broken spanish is incorrect, if anything, it's the other way around. Portuguese does share a lot of similarities with Spanish. But many don't know that Portuguese was born before Spanish, like someone mentioned, Galician and Portuguese at one point were the same language but separated due to political reasons long ago. Since then, the languages have been growing apart. Galician-Portuguese was born in northern spain and what is today Portugal. To this day, Galician is the closest language to Portuguese, but spelling is more similar to the spanish counter-part. Portuguese phonetically is closer to Catalan or French due to celtic influences, something spanish does not have, and Spanish was more romanized phonetically like Italian.
  • 1)No problem with it, if you also accept that English is broken German perverted with some French... ;-) 2) More seriously, the Portuguese language has certainly become a standard language, and will not be considered a broken language any more, even if it started as such (at that time, Spanish was also some kind of broken Latin anyway). Portuguese is very similar to Galician, though. "Galician-Portuguese (also known as galego-português or galaico-português in Portuguese and as galego-portugués or galaico-portugués in Galician) was a West Iberian Romance language spoken in the Middle Ages, in the northwest area of the Iberian Peninsula. It was first spoken in the area between the Bay of Biscay and the Douro River, but it expanded South with the Christian Reconquest. It is the common ancestor of modern Galician, Portuguese, and Fala languages. The term "Galician-Portuguese" also designates the subdivision of the modern West Iberian group which is composed by Galician, Portuguese, and the Fala language." Source and further information: 3) "Patois is any language that is considered nonstandard, although the term is not formally defined in linguistics. It can refer to pidgins, creoles, dialects, and other forms of native or local speech, but not commonly to jargon or slang, which are vocabulary-based forms of cant. Class distinctions are embedded in the term, drawn between those who speak patois and those who speak the standard or dominant language used in literature and public speaking, i.e., the "acrolect"." Source and further information: 4) I would not say that what we today call Portugal was a former part of Spain. Most of the Iberian peninsula was at the time where those nations appeared under Muslim and Moorish domination: "In 868, during the Reconquista (by which Christians reconquered the Iberian peninsula from the Muslim and Moorish domination), the First County of Portugal was formed. A victory over the Muslims at Ourique in 1139 is traditionally taken as the occasion when Portugal was transformed from a county (County of Portugal as a fief of the Kingdom of León) into an independent kingdom: the Kingdom of Portugal. On 24 June 1128, the Battle of São Mamede occurred near Guimarães. At the Battle of São Mamede, Afonso Henriques, Count of Portugal, defeated his mother, Countess Teresa, and her lover, Fernão Peres de Trava, in battle — thereby establishing himself as sole leader. Afonso Henriques officially declared Portugal's independence when he proclaimed himself king of Portugal on 25 July 1139, after the Battle of Ourique, he was recognized as such in 1143 by Afonso VII, king of León and Castile, and in 1179 by Pope Alexander III. Afonso Henriques and his successors, aided by military monastic orders, pushed southward to drive out the Moors, as the size of Portugal covered about half of its present area. In 1249, this Reconquista ended with the capture of the Algarve on the southern coast, giving Portugal its present day borders, with minor exceptions." Source and further information:
  • I hate this comon cult of other countries!!! I HATE THAT!!! PORTUGAL NEVER: NEVER: NEVER: AND NEVER WAS PART OF SPAIN: NEVER!!!!!!! Why foreign people think portugal was part of spain??? Because portugal is smaller??? If portugal would be bigger ALL THE PEOPLE would say the oposite: spain was part of portugal For your information: Before portugal and spain was formed, in that territory only had kingdoms. Aproximately 6 kingdoms. Portugal was formed with one of the 6 kingdoms. I say: PORTUGAL WAS FORMED FIIIIIRST!!! THAN SPAIN Only after some years, the other 5 kingdoms was reunited and this formed spain. SO: HOW PORTUGAL WAS PART OF SPAIN??? HOW?? NEVER BECAUSE PORTUGAL WAS FORMED FIRST!!!!! And about the 2 languages: Why spain and france (for example) speak some different?? Because the people started to speak ,with tousands of years, different independently of the territory. Portugal and spain are the same. First had the latin language. But the portuguese peple "started" to speak some different. And the people from spain "started" to speak with other manner. But because spain and portugal are at a short distance the language is iddentique. NOT BECAUSE PORTUGAL AND SPAIN WAS THe SAME COUNTRY --- THAT NEVER HAPPEN!!!! Tanks and please: start think more racionality. Because something is smaller dont means that is part of the bigger! PS: Wath I say are more details but to you understand I resumed... 2ndPS: Portugal discovered more territorys first than spain. Do you know? 3dPS: Tanks to the people here who recognised the history of portugal or searched information of that...:D
  • Portugal 870 years old Formation Conventional date for Independence is 1139 - Founding 868 - Re-founding 1095 - De facto sovereignty 24 June 1128 - Kingdom 25 July 1139 - Recognized 5 October 1143 - Papal Recognition 23 May 1179 - Republic 5 October 1910 - 3rd Republic 25 April 1974 Spain 293 years old Formation 15th century - Dynastic 1479 - de facto 1516 - de jure 1716 - Constitutional democracy 1978 well here are the facts Portugal was Founded in 868 Spain in 1479 difference of 611 years now let go by when they where Recognized Portugal 5 October 1143 Spain 1716 difference of 573. so you See here Portugal is a lot older then Spain . Now how can some one say portugal was part of Spain and The really funny one that Portuguese is broken Spanish i have no clue. maybe some Spanish out there wish they where portugues. i don't know. For more info go to Hope this puts this to rest Orlandom Devoted Portuguese Oh P.S. For those Spanish out there who think Columbus discover America take a look at this website here you will see that The corte Real Brothers (Portuguese by the way ) discovered America in 1356 68 years before Columbus Accidentally stumbled on the new land here you will see the facts for this claim To all the Portuguese out there we are a small country but we are a great country at one time are empire extended around the world are language is spoken around the world . But different form the Greek ,roman and all the great empires before us is that (we 1141 years later are still here) and that is something to be proud of.
  • Absolutely not. Portuguese is a language in its own right. It is more technical than Spanish, which is simple by comparison. Portuguese and Spanish were initially the same language until Portugal became independant in 1139. Portuguese remains more archaic.
  • It's not right and correct to say that, but I understand where you're coming from. My very first encounter with Brazilian made me think that the language was a bastardised form of Spanish too (I was learning numbers 0-10 in several languages, from Mongolian to Hokkien, Persian, and Icelandic). It was mainly due to the fact that some words in Portuguese aren't spelled the way they're pronounced (e.g. cuatro (4) is pronounced KWAtru, sete (7) is pronounced SEchi, nove (9) is pronounced somewhat like NAOvi). In Spanish, Hawaiian, Tagalog, and my native language, Malay, we spell most words straightforwardly. And it doesn't help that for most people born in the 80's and 90's throughout Malaysia (And I'm sure elsewhere), we're more exposed to Spanish influence than Portuguese through their songs (e.g. Julio Iglesias, Ricky Martin, Shakira, Son by Four--and The Offspring, weirdly), and TV dramas (e.g. Luz Clarita, Maria Mercedes, La Usurpadora, Mis Tres Hermanas, Juana La Virgen).

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