He is much more insane hatred than love, and the Bible is extremely ignorant of the real world, so its god is far from wise.

ReiSan, clearly you are speaking of the Old Testament. You only see what you want to see. It doesn't work that way. The Israelites were enslaved by the Egyptians. If you are going to diminish a book, why not read it all to come to a conclusion?

..but then the holy Spirit might convict them of sin, whereas then they could receive Christ and be born again, ye must be born again.

...love and justice met at the Cross

..for all have sinned,, come short of the glory of God= the real world. God understands and cares.

The Egyptians have no records of Jews being there en masse. I read the Bible every day when I was growing up, and I see it's savage and ignorant. Jenny sees only what she wants to see. Why did God make all men sinners. He's a poor creator since he can't do a lot better than that.

Sandra Ursula, quote: "The Egyptians have no records of Jews being there en masse." A mass of people had to build the pyramids in Egypt, and it wasn't the Egyptians. Think again, the ten plagues are one of the most famous aspects of the Exodus story. The plagues are historical events as recorded by Moses as a fragment of evidence describing their catastrophic consequences. In fact, there is a papyrus in the Leiden Museum in Holland which provides a graphic portrayal eerily reminiscent of the biblical account.

"ReiSan, clearly you are speaking of the Old Testament." No, clearly he's speaking of the god throughout the entire Bible. Take the word BRILLIANT out of your name, clearly it doesn't belong there. Seeing the rest of your posts, you obviously need to read something other than your Bible. Yo know NOTHING about real history.

It is more logical to state that the Universe has no beginning and no end. Apply Occam's Razor!

People who don’t believe the Bible .. someday when it’s too late ,will.. payday someday.

People who don't believe in the Eddas will be punished by Odin.

"People who don’t believe the Bible .. someday when it’s too late ,will.. payday someday." Anyone who has to use empty cult threats to threaten people into their cult belief, belong to a cult that has nothing of value to offer people. Yes, I've just described Christianity.

Any proof for that -- apart from the nonsense quotes from a cult book?

99.54% of the people in my homeland, and 71.05% of the people in the world do not believe in the Christian deity.

Smart choice - since that deity doesn't exist, and nobody has ever proven otherwise, despite millions of desperate attempts to prove it during the last two millennia.

100% Correct.

That he made himself does not make sense...You must exist somehow to create anything... and it has to be 'put' in a way we can understand...

Haven?t you ever heard of faith? If we could understand God we would be his equal.

also faith in God Is a substance=true belief

Faith in anything else is nothing..

Faith in God is no better than faith in Zeus, Odin or lots of other gods.. No beliefs are true. Beleifs have no proof.

"Faith in God is no better than faith in Zeus, Odin or lots of other gods.. No beliefs are true. Beliefs have no proof." Sandra is correct.

Special pleading is a logical fallacy.

No, it does not make sense. The Bible is bad fiction.

Faith is blind and is therefore quite unreliable. There are many other religions with different gods. If you were born in Arabia, you would be a Muslim. If you were born in India, you would ne a Hindu.

Apart from the Bible, we have no other source of information...so I stick with the scriptures incited,,,(Psalm 102:8) All day long my enemies taunt me. Those who mock me use my name as a curse. (Psalm 10:4) In his haughtiness, the wicked man makes no investigation; All his thoughts are: ?There is no God.? *** Bible Citations *** (Psalm 53:1) The foolish one says in his heart: ?There is no Jehovah.? Their unrighteous actions are corrupt and detestable; No one is doing good. So Jehovah knows you are out there...you should be scared.

There are many holy books that all say they're the only correct one. 71% of the people now living don't believe in God. Jehovah isn't even the correct name for the Hebrew god. YHWH is right.

Jesus was "A" god, a spiritual being...the same as Satan is ALSO " A " god.. 2 Corinthians 4:4 (2 Corinthians 4:4) among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.

That speaks of the god of this world who blinds those who believe not. Jesus is not a god . . . . He is God. As in God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Jesus is the creator, He is not the same as Satan. Satan was Lucifer the angel who fell Jesus was never an angel. What you believe is what you believe until the Lord Jesus opens your eyes.

Hi rick...have to answer this one...the trinity is one of Satan;s greatest lies...because it takes glory away from God's name...Jehovah...Jehovah God has always existed...Jesus has not...he was created. And Jesus was SENT to us. Jehovah remained in heaven. and WHO said this... (Mark 9:7) And a cloud formed, overshadowing them, and a voice came out of the cloud: ?This is my Son, the beloved. Listen to him.? a complete separation...

So you think Satan wrote that verse huh? It was God who wrote it by divine inspiration.

Meditation is not based on facts. Historic records with authenticity are.

Yes, it's not a fact, but many great people had said that when they meditated, they got to know the answer of all the questions they had, and that they find true peace because of it. I am a hindu, and all our sacred books and tales, point to the fact that one should meditate. Lord Shiva, Lord Buddha, or Guru Nanak, why do you think they are always shown sitting in the position as if they are meditating. And remember, they all belong to different religions. Why do they say all is one ? Can you explain that ? Why does the sacred book of the Hindus, the Bhagvad Gita and the sacred book of Christians, the Bible, have so same phrases with the same meanings. It's also scientifically proven that meditation increases our concentration power and has a very positive effect on our mind. The father of India, Mahatma Gandhi and Swami Vivekananda, who's birthday is celebrated as World Youth Day, used to meditate. Dr APJ Abdul Kalam, the missile man of India, once even said that there was a time when he worked so many hours in a day that he didn't properly had the time to sleep, so he used to meditate for just 15 minutes and that those 15 minutes felt like he had slept for 8 hours. He too, believed in the power of meditation. There are so many other examples too. Even when I started to meditate I actually did felt like my concentration has improved. If you want to find true peace, than you must at least try out meditation. Just 5 or 10 minutes a day, what's the problem in trying ? If then you didn't liked it and saw no improvements, than sure, don't do it !

Exactly, meditation is not based on facts. Quote: "it's not a fact, but many great people had said that when they meditated," It doesn't matter if a person is a billionaire. Anybody can have their own thoughts when meditating. This is nothing more than a hallucination in the real world when facts are not provided.

The people I am talking about were not billionaires, they were the people who taught the people and served the nations. The beautiful quotes we read everyday are made by them, they were so intelligent people, much more than you could imagine. And also, they urged the people to question every doubts they had, and asked them to stop being plodders. They asked everyone to try out meditation themselves, to discover the truth themselves. Because it is a state/feeling that can't be described, it just can be felt.

I never said the people you're referring to were billionaires. I understand that Buddha and Gandhi were well known people. I'm using a billionaire as an example to prove that it doesn't matter who ranks higher than the other. In the real world, constructive remarks is what counts, not what I, you or anybody else can imagine. lol

I am just done with you.....

Have a good day!

I always have good days, except the ones when I have to talk to you....

Then have a ball!

Jenny_Rizzo imagines her weird cult is the correct belief system. Religions are based upon crude fiction, not facts.

ReiSan, you can't prove I belong to a cult.

Jenny you are just confused. It's Ok... You have no idea what meditation is. Meditation is not thoughts. Meditation will take one beyond their thoughts for a direct Experience of Absolute consciousness which is GOD. Every little experience you have has the possibilities of bringing you closer to understanding until one day your thoughts will vanish and you will understand in the purity of that moment. Blessings

Baba, you have no reference for an actual god to begin with. People don't believe other people's take on religious matters, just because they claim to know some god. Insane people have the tendency to make up a god, even in mediation. When one hears the word meditation, it conjures an image of Maharishi Yoga talking about finding a mantra and striving for nirvana. The purpose of such meditation is to empty oneself. This is how Satan invades the empty vacuum of your soul and possess it.

Thank you Jenny for posting Revelation 11:17 it is always good to see another like me. God bless you!!

You gave a good biblical answer. I was going to leave you a comment, but it looks like you have everything under control. :)

I don't have everything under control the Holy Spirit helps by leading me.

You said that god never had a beginning...... this is something i have heard from almost every person, but no one is able to explain how is that possible ? I mean we are able to think that god will never end, but how can i take the statement in which you said that he never started ! Please explain if you know !

Rick, you don't have everything under control? The Holy Spirit has to use "somebody" to take full control.

Abha, that's because almost every person does not read Scripture. I'll be glad to be the first one to answer your simple question. Jesus is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. Micah 5:2 "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall He [Jesus] come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, [from everlasting]. Who do you think holds the title of the Almighty God according to Revelation 11:17?

Hey, You just repeated what you said before. You say God is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient, which is the same I have heard before ! I have heard that he knows everything, he is almighty, will never start, never end etc... But how ? How can someone know everything ? How can one do anything ? How can someone never start and end ? I am asking that. I want to know on what meaningful basis do you say that he is omnipotent, omnipresent and omniscient ? Please don't take it as if I am arguing, I just want to really know the thoughts and beliefs of other people.

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Abha, actually I did not repeat myself. I never mentioned that Jesus is God until you asked. I am letting you know the attributes of Jesus in these comments. Nowhere in Scripture will you find that God/Jesus had a beginning. The only way a deity can have a beginning is if it were a man-made god. A created god would not have the attributes of an Almighty God. Quote: "How can someone know everything ?" A true God is ahead of time. This is based on biblical prophecies.

Quote: "Please don't take it as if I am arguing," Be my guest. If you can prove when the beginning of time was first recorded to the infinite of time, then you have an argument. Other than that: "God never had a beginning." Comparing all gods and goddesses from different religions will lead you to knowing who the true God is.

Oh GOD ! Help me out....

I ask if anyone can prove when the infinite of time was created.

I said I don't have everything under control and I know I will not but the Holy Spirit is my refuge. Just to explain what I was saying. But you already did it lol. :) God bless you and your day as well Jenny.

Hi Rick, I just came across your comment. I see what you mean, but just as long as I have the two-edged sword as mentioned in (Hebrews 4:12), then I do have everything under control when it comes to religious feedback. :)

Why prefer God to Amaterasu, Yu Ti, Shiva, Zeus, Jove, Odin, Baal, Ahuramazda, Amon, Ra, Enki, Asshur, Quetzalcoatl, Perun, Volos, Manitou, Marduk and millions more gods? 99.54% of the people in Japan where I was born are not Christians, and 71% of the world's population are not Christians. All sacred writings are merely very crude fiction. You say God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, but Genesis denies these assertions. God comes cross as a bumbling oaf of a barbarian. Why did he create such flawed humans? Why did he create Lucifer and allow him to lead humans to destruction? Why does he allow illnesses, famine, natural disasters, etc. to kill millions? He is incompetent, uncaring, sadistic or imaginary. The latter is most logical.

ReiSan, I have been telling you repeatedly that the world does not revolve around the small of island of Japan. From 7.7 billion people in the world, there are 2.2 billion Christians worldwide. That doesn't include non-denominational Christians or Christians in the middle-east that are persecuted. If Islam did not convert by the sword, there would be more Christians.

ReiSan, why prefer God? That's because 2.2 billion Christians and counting, along with the other possibilities know that all the prophecies of the Bible hold water in comparison to all the so-called gods you mentioned. Quote: "God comes cross as a bumbling oaf of a barbarian. Why did he create such flawed humans?" Satan has dominion over the world. This is why diseases exist. As for natural disasters, God created the world, so He wants people to come to repentance. How difficult can that be?

All members of all religions believe theirs is the correct one. There are 7.6 billion people, so 5.4 billion aren't Christians, and jenny has some radical un-Christian ideas. The prophecies are scams like all so-called prophecies. God is weak if Lucifer can take control of the world. It was a bad mistake to create him. ReiSan is right. God is clumsy in Genesis.

You are jumping from one subject to another. Quote: "All members of all religions believe theirs is the correct one." But you have to study all religious books in order to see which book is the correct one. Since the Old Testament was given to the Jews, read the New Testament which was aimed at the Gentiles. You will see how other religious books teach persecution, while the New Testament is about forgiveness.

Quote: "The prophecies are scams like all so-called prophecies." How is it a scam when the book of Ezekiel prophesied the restoration of Israel?

Quote: "God is weak if Lucifer can take control of the world." Actually, God is fair by giving us freewill.

In Japan where I was born, most people believe the creators are Izanami and Izanagi. 99.54% of us are not Christians. There are many creators in different religions. There is no objective evidence that nay creator gods exist.

Jesus described that human beings are gods. John 10:34 "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?"

My pastor would scold Jenny for un-Christian ideas. Humans aren't gods, Other Bible verses deny that. All have fallen short of the glory of God contradicts Jenny's cherry picked verse.

Sandra Ursula, quote: "All have fallen short of the glory of God" If you read the scriptures carefully, humans are described as gods, but not as God.

A side note: I have debated many so-called pastors. It will be my pleasure to have a word with your pastor online. By your remarks of what you were taught, your pastor needs to brush-up his Bible.

Something created mankind. Things didn't happen by the Big Bang theory when there was nothing from nothing in the beginning.

There are different versions of the Big Bang Theory. One is the Oscillating Universe Theory. It has Perpetual and Damped versions. The Big Bang has lots of evidence for it, but no creation myth has any at all. It's Christians who believe something was created from nothing. I say the universe has always existed in some state or form. Nothing created humans. There's fossil evidence we evolved frpm earlier primates. Study Zoology for more details. There were Neanderthal, Heidelberg, etc. men before Homo sapiens appeared.

Quote: "It's Christians who believe something wass created from nothing." Not quite. It doesn't make sense to create a creation from nothing. That includes no wind and energy to cause a combustion like the Big Bang theory. Christians believe there was a Divine energy in the universe. It is the property of object which cannot be created nor destroyed when light came into the world.

Quote: "There's fossil evidence we evolved form earlier primates." The evolutionary Richard Dawkins actually admitted to the religious nature of "evolutionary faith" and the lack of fossil evidence for it. Keep in mind that God created animal life before He created man. By extension, that means He created their skeletons, which would have eventually become fossils after they died.

Creation ex nihilo is a Christian doctrine. Yes God just created the universe from nothing. I was raised to be a Christian, and I don't know anybody who agrees with your radical ideas. Are you a JW or Mormon? Scientists have overwhelming evidence for Evolution. Where did Richard Dawkins do such a thing? Anybody who says that doesn't understand science. Science is quite opposed to religion in basic ways. Evolution needs no faith or religion. You must be misunderstanding Dawkins. I don't think he's ever say such a thing unless he went nuts. You clearly don't begin to comprehend Science and Evolution. The fossil record points to Evolution not any of the lots of creation myths. How about the other creators? You were indoctrinated with one religion. I overcame my indoctrination, but you can't.

Richard Dawkins has written about science, so he wouldn't really say such a thing that shows serious ignorance of science. He knows there's plenty of fossil evidence and that evolution isn't religious and doesn't need faith. That is some creationist lie about him. He'd never say such an ignorant thing unless he was nuts.

I don't know what type of Christians you have talked to, but we all certainly do not agree with each other. The SDA church does not believe God magically created humanity. We believe in the logical notion that the existence of mankind evolved from fossils. Just as described in the Bible, animals came first before mankind. The first part of the thousand year saying is a bit harder to understand. With God a day is like a thousand years. What would take us 1000 years to do, God arranged his Creation of Earth in a day or even an instant using energy. Quote: "Scientists have overwhelming evidence for Evolution." Scientists are neutral, and do not support Evolution. Scientists have only come up with theories, not facts.

Quote: "Richard Dawkins has written about science," Science is based on facts, not theories.

Where do you get such radical ideas? You didn't go to the same church I did for sure. There are supposed to be a duality of matter and spirit with God being spirit.

Energy can condense to form matter, and matter can explode to form energy. Saying God is matter-energy is blasphemous to my Christian parents. Light is a type of energy. read dome science.

Quote: "You didn't go to the same church I did for sure." Once again, not all Christian denominations agree with each other.

Quote: "Saying God is matter-energy is blasphemous to my Christian parents. Light is a type of energy. read dome science." Jesus is the Light of the world. (John 8:12) Light is nature's way of transferring energy through space.

Very funny. It looks like you are more concerned about claiming Jesus was Michael than to answer the question in this subject.

Hi Jenny...How can it be ' funny'...Jesus is Michael because of these scriptures... (Daniel 10:13) But the prince of the royal realm of Persia stood in opposition to me for 21 days. But then Miʹcha?el, one of the foremost princes, came to help me; and I remained there beside the kings of Persia. This happened long before Jesus was named Jesus. (Daniel 10:21) However, I will tell you the things recorded in the writings of truth. There is no one strongly supporting me in these things but Miʹcha?el, your prince. Jesus as Michael is one step below Jehovah God. (Daniel 12:1) ?During that time Miʹcha?el will stand up, the great prince who is standing in behalf of your people. And there will occur a time of distress such as has not occurred since there came to be a nation until that time. And during that time your people will escape, everyone who is found written down in the book. This is more than just an earthly Prince named Michael. (Jude 9) But when Miʹcha?el the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses? body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: ?May Jehovah rebuke you.? Positively identified as a heavenly person... fighting Satan. (Revelation 12:7) And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha?el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled Jesus, as Michael, cast Satan and all his demons out of heaven and down to US... which explains all the problems and wars we have experienced... Politicians think its their little squabbles that cause wars...its NOT... Its Satan's influence.

Hello pugs, if you go back and read the question, it asks: HOW was God made? It did not ask if Jesus was made? It is funny how you avoided the question.

To your misinterpreted comments: the book of Daniel, the book of Revelation nor Jude prove Jesus was made. Jesus shares the same glory with the Father, angels don't. John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

Since when did the Father share His glory with angels? You really must read Isaiah 42:8.

JR, why are you trying to make jabs at pug? He answered the question with "Jehovah God has always existed". Interesting that Jesus shared the glory that God gave him. (John 17:20-22) I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, 21?so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. 22?I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one.

Hi Jenny...quote " (Isaiah 42:8) I am Jehovah. That is my name; I give my glory to no one else, Nor my praise to graven images. The glory that Jesus asked for is the LESSER glory Jesus had in heaven ALONGSIDE his father, Jehovah, BEFORE he was SENT to us....It is glory but not equal glory....Proverbs 8: 22-31....where Jesus was created...and so cannot be EQUALLY glorious to Jehovah... The claim for equality is aimed at trying to always prove the trinity...which is part of satan's system...Jesus always remains subservient and LESS glorious than Jehovah...BUT STILL IS GLORIOUS.

Our observation shows a progression from simple to complex. A god is the hypothetical end of an eternity of evolution, not the beginning of things.

"Although the concept of an eternal God may be hard to grasp" Now there is an understatement. Most people are convinced GODDIDIT because they have been programmed by people they trust who have told them it is the truth. Most intellectually honest people would realise if they'd been born into a different culture and a different time, they would most likely 'believe' whatever that time and culture programmed them to believe. I totally wasted almost forty years 'trying' to find a god critter. The fact remains, you can only get to a god being the cause of all causes by special pleading, in that, everything else has to obey all the rules except bibel-god, cos if bibel-god had to obey all the rules, that everything else must obey, then bibel-god could not exist. If you can explain a god without a creator, You can explain a universe without a creator. There is real verifiable evidence for a universe; There is NO verifiable evidence for a god critter. If you can explain a god without a creator, You can explain a universe without a creator. ((there is actual verifiable evidence for a universe)) EDIT Yes, I know I repeated myself. With NO evidence to support my idea, I reckon the universe has always existed in one form or another .. as in, all this may have happened billions of times before. Yeah, now THAT is hard to get your head around, a? ? ~