The same logic that some evolutionists would say that it all started with a lightning bolt striking a swamp in what we now call France. That, somehow, created an ameba. That one single ameba split, split again, etc. From that one lightning strike somehow causing the world's first ameba, all living things were evolved. Still, no one really said how the Earth was there to begin with for the lightning to strike. Big bang? Possibly, but where did that come from? No hard explaination there. Again, even with evolution and the big bang theory, you are putting all your "faith" into an unexplained beginnings. That's why they are called "theory," because it is still guessing. You choose to believe one thing without hard evidence, someone else decides to believe another. One is no more logical than the other.

"Evolutionism is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless." - Prof. Louis Bounoure (Former President of the Biological Society of Strasbourg and Director of the Strasbourg Zoological Museum, later Director of Research at the French National Centre of Scientific Research), as quoted in The Advocate, Thursday 8 March 1984, p. 17. (p. 5 of The Revised Quote Book)

It depends on your idea of creationism. If you believe a god like being designed everything to turn out the way it is now and the way it has been observed (ie big bang - galaxies - stars - planets - life...) then the logic is simply explaining what caused the big bang. If, however, you believe god made the earth 6000 years ago exactly as it is today then you are talking about people who are blinding by their religion and can not see any logic no matter how clearly set out it is.

Evolution is no longer a theory. Darwin was right! See this video. Also, welcome to AB, Mr. Spock. My 2 cents.

Well millions of people believe in creationism and I am one of them. I assure you, we honestly believe in it. Lemme ask you this. Wheres the logic in the big bang theory? How can something earth be created like that, along with 8 and 1/2 other planets (Pluto is a "dwarf planet" or so they tell us).

1. I think a lot of myself. Damn aren't I impressive? I'm special. 2. Something as impressive as me couldn't have just happened. I had to be designed by something DAMN intelligent. Yup, it would take one smart MFer to make me. 3. All those years of science, evidence, tests, proofs and mounds of literature explaining evolution are hard to understand. It fails to convince me. It just isn't enough. 4. A few dozen bronze age preliterate nomadic tribesmen speculated that an invisible god made all of this a few thousand years ago. I like the sound of that. Good enough for me. Its all ego. Any questions?

honestly, how do you NOT believe in it? where do you think the original "spark" of life came from? if you can give me a good answer, I would be willing to change my mind. until then...I have to believe that something greater than all of is created us.

What I find interesting from the creationist view that if the universe was created and set in order by a deity, it is therefore my deity (Hebrew/Christian). The book of Genesis tells it all and is absolute. Allegory is not an option. They argue against Darwinism but never address the other ancient belief systems about the creation of the world. Why is the Genesis account better and more accurate than the others? (By the way the Egyptian & Babylonian mythologies are much older and had a great deal of influence how the Torah was written). My 2 cents.

Hey, people believe that Obama will bring change. It's amazing what people can believe when they want to.

I don't believe in it either, but what is the point in asking a question that is just having a go at people with honestly held beliefs who are doing you no harm?

Logic has nothing to do with belief. Of course, that don't make 'belief' any less real (!) ;-)

Well, here is some logic the logical person must overcome. We know the universe had a beginning, most people like to refer to it as the big bang. But where did the big bang come from? Just keep asking yourself where did all matter arise from? We have three options 1) it has always been, (physics has proven that wrong 2nd law of thermodynamics, basically the universe has been wound up like a clock and is winding down) 2) It just happened. (that makes perfect logical sense, nothing x nobody = everything!!! philosophically impossible there are 15 constants in the universe that are so precise for life such as light, gravity, time, etc. look into physics if you want more info, that had to explode out of nothingness into the perfect order for life to occur) 3) an infinite God created it. (he is outside of space and time.) Now God is all-powerful, which means He might have used evolution, He might not have. If He is all-powerful I wouldn't put either past him Evolution may explain some answers of life, but it does not explain where life came from. Hence I have no problem with evolution because it still does not make creation exempt or illogical.

Well, a long time ago, there were a lot of things that people didn't understand, like why and how everything existed. So, instead of trying to understand it, they just decided that it must have been created by a being infinitely more powerful than them, and it was beyond their comprehension. Now, even though the human consciousness is greater than it was back then, some people are still a little....well, let's say "nostalgic." They prefer the old way of thinking, because it's much easier for them. They don't have to do any work, or try to understand anything. They don't even have to think if they don't want to. It's pretty easy to see why someone would believe something like that.

"One morning I woke up and something had happened in the night, and it struck me that I had been working on this [evolution] stuff for twenty years and there was not one thing I knew about it. That's quite a shock to learn that one can be so misled so long. Either there was something wrong with me or there was something wrong with evolutionary theory. Naturally, I know there is nothing wrong with me ..." "...question is: Can you tell me anything you KNOW about Evolution? Any one thing? Any one thing that is true? I tried that question on the geology staff at the Field Museum of Natural History and the only answer I got was silence. I tried it on the members of the Evolutionary Morphology Seminar in the University of Chicago, a very prestigious body of Evolutionists, and all I got there was silence for a long time, and eventually one person said, "I do know one thing - it ought not to be taught in high school"." —Part of a keynote address given at the American Museum of Natural History by Dr Colin Patterson (Senior Paleontologist, British Museum of Natural History, London) in 1981.

When I look at this world, with it's intricate and varied inhabitants, I see order. I don't see the randomness at all -- I see design. When an archeologist uncovers a statue, it's obvious to him that this was a creation and not a random rock formation. It's the same thing to me. It's obvious that this world and all it's inhabitants were a creation. There is too much order for a random formation. Even evolution was designed into the plan to ensure survival. There's certainly a master plan/master designer at work.

The creation story does not contradict scientific evidence. It simply answers WHY as opposed to science's HOW.

Frankly, I fail to see the logic in evolution. Like all this stuff just came from nothing? Not likely. Unless somebody can create a living organism in a lab somewhere from NOTHING I maintain my position that the Earth was created. Furthermore, evolutionists beliefs are hostile to society and morality. Hitler was all for evolution.

I believe the earth was created. What I don't understand is why so many people who choose to believe in Evolution are not happy unless they're belittling Creationism and those who believe in God. So many times, you hear about the supposed "intolerance" of Christians. Well, if you guys are so tolerant, how come you can't leave those of us who believe differently alone? How does it affect you? Why do you care what others believe? Does it keep you awake at night? I'm secure in my beliefs, and I don't need to convince anyone else. I'm not going to try to force you to believe in anything, and all I ask is the same courtesy. When I see questions like this, it drives me crazy. Why can't you just play nice? EVERYONE HAS A RIGHT TO THEIR OWN BELIEFS. Got it?

Let's see. Take a watch apart and put it in washing machine or any kind of container you want and shake it, roll it, hit it with chemicals, shoot it with lightning bolts and just how long before it becomes a timepiece again?

science dude science god created science science created us

I dont believe the Creation can out do the Creator. This means that I find it hard to believe that an atom or random floating peice of stardust or whatever it may be can form into the earth. Form light. Form air. Form water. Form animals who are so complex. Form people who are so complex. The ways we think. The way our organs work. The way the world is so naturally incycle. Without being God. Something with limited abilities cant create all of this that you see. I find it silly when people say "I dont understand it, its isnt logical...there can be no God" becuase, well, why figure it out? Why bother. You arent God therefore you will NEVER be able to grasp the whole concept.It takes mroe faith to believe that something so tiny and small, something so meaningless could have created this. To find fault in people accepting this mentality shows how small someones thinking is. While I dont push and shove my thoughts on others,why do I feel like some thought so irrational is being pushed on me (evolution). A friend once asked me "If we came from apes, wouldnt there have been scientific proof and people still existing who are in the middle of transition? Wouldnt we be competing with them as if they we equals? Wouldnt they have evolved to? Wouldnt they be able to do more than their ancestors or invent machines like we do?" (something like that, they gave me a long list of questions, none that I feel like repeating) And honestly, while i didnt pay much attention to all the questions, I feel it makes since. yes, I believe in a Higher Power and some big man up in the sky thatcreated all I know...but it makes more since and feels less degrading to say this as opposed to "Yeah, man, that ape in the zoo is my cousin."

This sums it all up.

Because we evolved that way. And natural selection weeds out most of the non-believers! Does that make any more sense???? XP

Many people do not see the possibility that a god is possible even through creation. It is a lot easier to deny all of science and turn a blind eye to the facts and the evidence, rather than to re-evaluate your entire belief system.

Logic? Bwaaa haaaa...you, my friend, are the biggest idealist if you think that religious people use logic...ROFLMAAO!

It appears we can accept that before there was anything material there was either a Supreme Being or there were molecules in a perfect vacuumn. If creation did not occur how could molecules just happen. The optic nerve has over one million individually wrapped nerve fibers and is only the size of the lead of a #2 pencil. It is hard for me to understand how anyone could believe that by chance that happened and that it continues to happen by chance everytime someone new is born. It would appear to happen by chance each time if there was not an order to the universe that was put into place by a far greater wisdom than exists by chance. How could anyone not believe in Creationism.

What is the logic in the MANY different scientific theories of how the world and life came to be. How can anyone believe in them?

Creationism is not about logic by faith and with faith everything is possible from the sublime to the ridiculous, including creationism

There is one simple flaw in creationism...wait did I say one? Anyways one of the flaws in creationism is that any argument a creationist can offer can in turn be used to argue why the universe exists itself exists independently of a creator. A few examples. God is beyond comprehension he has no source he always has been. Becomes The universe, matter and energy has no source it simply always has been. God has an inherent quality of existence. Becomes The universe has an inherent quality of existence. Of course to give credit to creationist it is much easier to ignore logic and simply put it into "Gods" hands. The more we understand the laws of physics the more we understand that life isn't random, it is an inevitable conclusion of the laws of physics. Again we must cede to creationists that we cannot explain everything but we can explain some things. Where as they explain nothing by claiming to explain it with faith in a supreme deity. A being who is outside the laws of space-time but we definitely know, or should I say believe, that he exists. Of course there is the inevitable paradox of an omnipotent, omniscient being. If he knows all that will happen including what he will do. Can he in his omnipotence change his own will in the future? If he were unable to change it, it would invalidate his omnipotence. On the other hand if he could change it, it would invalidate his omniscience because he would have been wrong.

Making up an answer to a difficult question is often more compelling than looking for actual evidence, thinking about it, and being willing to admit we just don't know everything right now and maybe never will. . So conjuring up a magical being with all sorts or magical powers and properties, like "being outside of space and time" or "having unlimited powers" is just easier and for some, more emotionally satisfying. Especially if you then toss in "that being cares about and loves me". Tough to beat that. +5

Easy, choice. Just as you choose to believe evolution, I choose to believe creation. I believe it "on earth" and I'll believe it in heaven. To argue this point would be fruitless.

because the older theorys were destroyed by evolution (which has a whole lot more evidence) and people arent ready to give up the idea of "god". Its probably better this way...because most people only have morals because of god.

Nobody said there's any logic in it: it's all abut faith and them two don't intertwine and have nothing in common

At the core of the christian fundamentalist argument is a false dichotomy. It is the belief that disconfirming the theory of evolution adds evidential support to the literalist interpretation of the bible. This is simply a mistake. The theory of evolution might be erroneous. I doubt it, but I concede that it might be. If that were the case, scientists would seek to replace the theory with another scientific theory, another theory that accounted for the facts more comprehensively than the theory of evolution. This new theory would be naturalistic because science is naturalistic; it would exclude the supernatural, just as the theory of evolution excludes the supernatural, and the abandonment of the standard theory of evolution would provide no support at all for the biblical stories about the origin of species. The task of creationist is much more fundamental than disconfirming the theory of evolution: it is the task of persuading scientists that all conceivable naturalistic accounts, discovered and as yet undiscovered, necessarily fail to account for the biological data accounted for by the standard theory of evolution or others that might supersede it. But this is only the first step. If that were possible, the creationist then has to disconfirm all conceivable supernatural accounts, except the one favoured by his own religious affiliation. This can't be done, because no objective criteria for comparing supernatural accounts exist. The only logical course for the creationist is to stick his fingers in his ears and la-la loudly to himself whenever scientific discussions of geology or biology take place. Wilful ignorance is the only consistent course.

The word "logic" seems to be overused in today's society. What is this logic compared too? someone else's logic? your own? Some feel that the more secular education one has, the more logical one becomes but the problem with that scenario is that we have educated ourselves into imbecility and have all but lost all ability to think for ourselves and to continue the search for truth when and where it presents itself. Although logic definitely has it's place, using "logic" to determine everything in ones life is an exercise in futility and we may very well miss out on some of the most important things in our lives. Why is creationism more illogical than evolution where something is believed to have sprung from nothing? Modern scientists know that a beginning and an ending are demanded by one of the most validated laws in all of nature----the Second Law of Thermodynamics. The Second Law states, among other things, that the universe is running out of usable energy. With each passing moment, the amount of usable energy in the universe grows smaller, leading scientists to the obvious conclusion that one day all the energy will be gone and the universe will die. So what you may ask? Fair enough. Let's look at it this way: the First Law of Thermodynamics states that the total amount of energy in the universe is constant. In other words, the universe has only a finite amount of energy. The Second Law (Entropy), which is a fancy way of saying that nature tends to bring things to disorder. That is, with time, things naturally fall apart. But if the universe is becoming less ordered, then where did the original order come from? If a wind up clock is running down, then someone must have wound it up. This aspect of the Second Law also tells us that the universe had a beginning. Since we still have some order left----just like we still have some usable energy left----the universe cannot be eternal, because if it were, we would have reached complete disorder (entropy) by now. Some argue that material exists and has existed from all eternity. But I have to ask, that if matter is eternal, "What do you do with the Second Law of Thermodynamics?" Not to mention that evolution needs billions of years of "disorder to order" in which to work. But for evolution to work, it has to fly in the face of the Second Law of Thermodynamics which is "order to disorder." Now you tell me, which is more logical, Creationism or evolution?

Ponder this: Something from nothing (spontaneous generation) by nothing or Something from nothing, by God.

Why cant creationism and evolution both be true? Why couldnt God design the world, state all the laws of physics, etc, then say, "Bang" and start the universe with a Big Bang?

It takes more faith to believe in evolution than creationism. Talk about a rediculous theory!

Even the people who grew up being taught that it was true began to have serious doubts. That's why so-called Intelligent Design was "created" to dupe scientific illiterates into thinking that Creationism is supported by science. It's not.

I want the Creationists to explain how they know the universe wasn't created by the three headed Snarfeldink. Their failure to prove that it wasn't created by the Snarfeldink will, using their logic, prove that the universe was created by the Snarfeldink.

LoL...

All this talk and not a single Creationist has cited a single testable fact proving the existence of God. 2,000 years and the best they can come up with is a silly watch story.

There is a chance that creation-genetic manipulation-of humans really happened, and that information has been passed down. http://www.answerbag.com/a_view/7068623 I'm not a creationists but I found this. The act of believing is denial or avoidance, it does not matter what you believe.

i am a creationist and some of u have realy good answers i love the watch. whoever wrote that vist AnswersinGenesis.org and get answers. if u dont belive it call be dumb call me stupid call me worse and i say praise. creationest: just remember a faith that can be destroyed by persacution is not a real faith. i will pray 4 all of you:)