• 9-16-2017 Why is it that a person will laugh at the idea of a God and then accept "dark energy" as the finest science?
    • mushroom
      I have yet to hear a good explanation of dark energy. But then again, Einstein called entanglement "spooky action at a distance" in 1930, but the paradox was explained by John Bell in 1964, and just recently demonstrated. There's still time for further research.
    • bostjan64
      Dark energy comes from cosmology. It's a theoretical construct. We can observe the expansion of the universe by making measurements of the velocities of things that are very far away. The faster most things on opposite sides of us are moving away from each other, the faster the universe is expanding, the faster things move toward each other, the faster the universe is contracting. If the averages balance out, the universe is remaining the same size. (This is a gross oversimplification, but there's only so much one can do with one paragraph.) Based on the current theory of gravitation (from general relativity), we can take the age of the universe, the size of the universe, and the speed at which the universe is expanding, and back-calculate the acceleration. But the calculation doesn't make sense from our current understanding, because things are much more stable than they ought to be. If you think of matter, it becomes less dense as it expands, because density is mass divided by volume. However, if gravitational force is the only thing binding the universe together, there is a critical density, above which the universe will implode, and below which the universe will explode. But, since things are too stable, physicists have come up with the idea of something (enter: dark energy) that has density that is not a function of volume. That thing keeps the density of the universe more constant (but not entirely constant) as it expands, allowing matter to have plenty of outward motion, but preserving the force binding the universe from flinging apart from itself.
    • bostjan64
      Personally, (I have an MS in Physics, but the people who came up with dark energy are way deeper than I am) I would suggest that, maybe, there is another force or geometry for which we simply have not accounted by general relativity. About 130 years ago, people thought that there was an all-penetrating ether, and Einstein's Special Relativity shifted the paradigm to explain why that construct was not necessary. Dark energy, to me, looks like a similar construct to the ether, just with some fancier mathematics involved, and, of course, on a much bigger scale. We already know that forces work on completely different scales from one another, so perhaps the force of gravity is not the largest scale force, and we just don't have enough data nor observational power to "see" whatever the next level of force is. But then, in General Relativity, gravity isn't seen as a force so much as a quirk of the geometry of space on a large scale. To get from regular geometry to the kind of geometry in which gravity pops out naturally, you have to play around with positive and negative signs of things in an interesting way. At the time when Minkowskian geometry was formulated, it was surreal and bizarre for pretty much everyone. Maybe the reason we cannot explain the expansion of the universe is simply because it is so weird and foreign to us that we have not yet had enough time, as a society, to think about a solution.
  • It is fueling a lot of thoughts which will eventually fuel space exploration.
  • i have no idea
  • Erm... That's not how it works. Linda
    • Linda Joy
      Prove it!
  • In a few years the problems right here on Earth will take all our attention and energy. Like dominos, one by one things are beginning to break down which will affect the next and then the next. We will get to a point of no return and space will fall by the wayside. In my opinion.
    • Linda Joy
      Space travel will increase now that its being handled by the private sector instead of the government. And I evidently have more faith in the human race than you do! I'm fairly certain our children will solve the challenges that face them before the entire human race is annihilated.
  • I'm full of, I mean I have plenty of dark matter to donate to the cause. xD
    • Linda Joy
      Lol, I said dark energy, not methane!
  • Never say never. But dark energy has yet to be detected in a laboratory. Dark energy is a mathematical construct used to fix problems with the Friedmann Equations in general relativity. In order for the universe to remain accelerating in its expansion, there must be something that keeps the energy density high but the mass density low. This could be dark energy or it might just be a limitation of the model. To put into perspective, the oldest model of gravity, that there is a force called weight that points down to the center of the Earth with a magnitude of 9.8 m/s2 times the mass of the object, is perfectly valid anywhere on Earth. Newton's model of F = GMm/r2 collapses to the old model on Earth, but also works for objects the scale of stars and planets. Einstein's model works better on a larger scale of galaxies and black holes, but also works on smaller scales (in fact it simplifies to Newton's model). Maybe we need an even bigger model to describe the entire universe. It could prove difficult gathering data, though, since we can only observe one universe.
  • I think about undiscovered possibilities in space often. Cwazy ideas sometimes, no tin foil hats however. hahaha
  • Frankly: I believe that "dark energy" and "dark matter" are both the product of misunderstanding the Universe (because of our scientific ignorance) and misinterpreting data. I mean: those theories work given the data and current underlying theories...but we KNOW there are serious problems with some of those underlying theories. (We just haven't figured out what the problems are yet.) So: no, I don't think so because in my opinion that stuff ***doesn't really exist***. I think scientists will one day discover (again) that their understanding of the Universe was just way off back in the '20s and that "dark energy" and "dark matter" are really mistaken ways of explaining something that is very different in nature from what is now imagined.
  • No but, it'd be cool if further than the solar system got explored.
  • Only if it actually exists & is not merely an artifact of our misunderstanding or misinterpretation of gravitational effects or other possible natural laws we are completely unaware of. dark energy /dark matter has to be real if the current standard model is correct but the standard model itself is simply an artifact we created to help us think & talk about abstract ideas & concepts.. If get into "what if "speculation , Quantum entanglement could be interpreted to suggest that distance does not actually exist & everything is everywhere all at the same time? If so then we might already be 100,000 light years on the other side of the milky way galaxy while we are sitting at our desk. But this way lies madness so its better to accept the well known fact that "NO MATTER WHERE YOU GO THERE YOU ARE" & ask"is this trip really necessary?"

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