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  • Note: I'm not Catholic, but I attended Catholic high school *and* I've read the entire Catechism of the Catholic Church. *** Answer: The simple answer is: "Yes". Why? Because - at the simplest level of the matter - excommunication is intended to persuade the individual to repent of their error or sin and rejoin "the Church". So: an excommunicated individual could do exactly those things, and if they did, then (from the Catholic perspective) they would have just as good a chance of earning the eternal reward as any other Catholic in good standing. (Note: that was also generally true in the 12th century!) *** But I expect that what you mean is, "can a person still excommunicated at the time of death enter Heaven", and to that I answer: From the Catholic perspective, I think that would depend on WHY the individual was excommunicated. For example: excommunication CAN occur when a person commits a mortal sin - such as, for example, publicly rejecting Christianity and the salvation of Christ, or, for example, teaching that God does not exist. If the person does not repent of such a serious sin, then of course we (any Christian, not just Catholics) ought to expect that person shall "fail" the Final Judgment and not enter Heaven. *** But what if it's an excommunication due to teaching what "the Church" considers an error, or simple clerical disobedience? For example: what if a particular priest teaches (publicly) that it's OK to skip the Holy Days of Obligation? And he refuses to stop teaching that? Or what if a bishop (true story) marries a woman and continues to live with her - using church funds to support her and his ongoing marriage - in direct and repeated disobedience to his superior's instructions? In such cases we (I think) do NOT have MORTAL sin, and so I would expect that Catholics take the view that such a person COULD still be forgiven by God and enter Heaven.
  • In the 12th century, it was as much "folk lore" as it is today. An excommunication would be determined by people and people have a tendency to act from their own personal perspective. That would be hundreds of different people over the centuries in time. I don't believe that the "gates of heaven" operate on those people's say so.
  • No. John 3:13: "No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man." This means that Adam never went to heaven when he died and Moses never went to heaven when he died - neither will you, I, or anyone who has been "excommunicated" go to heaven.
    • www.bible-reviews.com
      Well...that's not what that means in English. Remember: that was spoken by Jesus BEFORE the crucifixion, death and resurrection, BEFORE Jesus "opened the gates of heaven". *** Your argument is like the argument, "God said 'I am not a man', therefore Jesus, who was a man, isn't God." The logical error is: anachronism. Your applying a statement said at a particular time, assuming it's truth (which I do not argue - I also assume it was true ***at the time***), and then projecting that statement into the future indefinitely and assuming that it will always be true at any and all times after the statement was spoken.
    • Army Veteran
      Then, you'll be kind enough to show me where the Bible DOES say anything about man going to heaven. I'll wait.
    • Hulk70166
      Isn't going to heaven the whole idea of Jesus Christ?
    • Army Veteran
      Maybe I can help you here. Acts 2:34-35: "For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said, 'The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”'" Clearly, this was spoken AFTER the Crucifixion. The problem people have understanding this concept is that too many believe that the Bible contradicts itself and so they adhere to what they are more comfortable with.
    • Army Veteran
      Hulk: no. Jesus came to prepare a place that people mistakingly assume will be heaven.
    • www.bible-reviews.com
      Let's see...Bible passages that mention people (other than Jesus) going to heaven, or at least directly indicates that people could do so: Psa 139:8; Mat 5:3; Mat 7:21; Mat 18:3; Mat 19:14; Mat 23:13; 2Co 5:1-2; 2Co 12:2; Php 3:20.
    • Army Veteran
      Psa 139:8 - this proves nothing of the sort. Jesus isn't the one doing the talking here. David is merely exemplifying how Jesus is everywhere. If you believe that this proves man will go to heaven, then it should also prove that we can grow wings and fly or live underwater, since both are mentioned in the same conversation. ¶ Mat 5:3 - I knew you'd get around to this one. Skip down to 5:5 and read where it says the meek shall inherit the earth. Doesn't this appear to be a contradiction to 5:3? It's not, actually. If you look up the word "of" in the dictionary (as in "kingdom of heaven") it actually means "from". The "kingdom of heaven" means the "kingdom from heaven". It's the new earth that we will dwell on after the current one is destroyed by fire. ¶ Matt 7:21 - here we have the same thing "kingdom of heaven" means "kingdom from heaven". It's amazing how we all use such a tiny word like "of" in a correct context but never realize its true meaning. I still do the same thing. ¶ Matt 18:3, Matt 19:14, same thing. 2 Corinthians 5:1-2 talks about new bodies - the vessels we will adopt after we die. It doesn't say anything about where we'll go after we die. 2 Corinthians 12:2 sounds suspiciously like an NDE - "Near-Death-Experience". Of course, it wouldn't have been called such at the time, but remember that when the Bible talks about flying chariots, there weren't airplanes and spaceships at the time. Descriptions in the Bible are based on things the people can relate to - things they have had experience with. Php 3:20 - I believe "citizenship" in this case refers to loyalty.
  • We can only speculate. God alone decides who gets in and who does not. Excommunication by the Church is done to persuade the believer into following the rules and regs of the Church. 11/14/22
    • Hulk70166
      So God is the final arbiter, not Amy Veteran?
    • dalcocono
      Yup, lol, IMHO.
  • It makes no difference what denomination one belongs to, it depends on do you believe in and have Jesus Christ as your Saviour. If Jesus Christ IS your Saviour then you will go to Heaven. If not then you will most likely go to Hell but the Lord God (Yahweh) is the final say so, not man.

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