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  • Possibly because it was unknown to the West when the lion was, in antiquity, give that title in the West. *** Another possibility: because the male lion has a sort of "harem" and "extended family" (the "pride"), over which the lion "rules" until he is overthrown. I.e. lions live in a community, which the alpha male lion "rules"...and there is even territory involved (each pride competing with neighboring prides for their territory). The adult tiger, on the other hand, is a solitary hunter.
  • Lions were bestowed that moniker thousands of years ago & it never was changed. I always found it strange because they didn't live in the jungle to begin with.
    • Jenny's Gone On Vacation
      Thanks for sharing! There's nothing strange. Hundreds to thousands of years ago before lions became endangered species, they lived everywhere in Africa. The Congo Basin is the second largest jungle in the world, right behind the Amazon Rainforest in Brazil. The African countries that have rainforests are Cameroon, Congo, Democratic Republic of Congo, Gabon, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Liberia and Nigeria. Also, Victoria Falls, Zambia and Zimbabwe have some of the largest and highest waterfalls in the world.
  • Tigers actually live in jungles too. Lions do not. 11/27/23
    • Jenny's Gone On Vacation
      Thanks for sharing, even though you did not answer my question. I will quote my question as soon as I address your remarks. Quote: "Tigers actually live in jungles too." But the biggest tiger being the Siberian tiger does not live in the jungle. It lives in the snow. In India's Gir Forest, there are approximately 600 Asiatic lions with other wild animals as well: https://www.girbirdinglodge.com/mammals-of-gir-forest Most of the lions in Africa do not live in jungles because of Africa deforestation: https://www.chathamhouse.org/2023/05/deforestation-africa
    • Jenny's Gone On Vacation
      The question is: "Why didn't the tiger receive the title of "King of the Jungle?""
  • There's a rabbit hole to go down into here... Let's start with the obvious part to most native English speakers. The lion is referred to as the "king of the jungle," at least as a common idiom. But, when we think of "jungle," we think of rainforests, and the vast majority of lions live in the savannahs or in tropical forests that probably don't quite qualify as rainforests. So, why not the tiger? Tigers can grow bigger, tigers can capture larger prey, tigers are more likely than lions to be encountered in the rainforest, tigers are more likely to hunt people for food, etc. I think that, to properly understand the title, one should look at the history of the language. The title "king of the beasts" probably predates the English language. Lions were originally common in Eurasia, where early people made the first western civilizations. The term "jungle" was not known at the time. As travelers from Great Britain went to India for trade, they began to take interest in the culture there - even hunting. This is where the term "jungle" entered the English language. "Jangala" is the Sanskrit word for "a deserted place" or a "dry uninhabitable place," which is synonymous with the English term "desert." But something was lost in translation, and instead it came to be understood as a wet, heavily thicketed place. Likewise, the Sanskrit word for lion was "simha," which sounded like the word for royalty "singh." So the "simha" of the "jangala" or lion of the savannah, was very likely misinterpreted as the "singha" or royalty of the jungle or rainforest, which was similar to the existing phrase common to Europeans that "the lion is the king of the beasts." Thus the phrase used in Sanskrit storytelling morphed into a "false friend" with the English language to become a new idiom with strong ties to older expressions known to the English speakers of the previous generation. No tigers were involved in that process
    • Jenny's Gone On Vacation
      Thanks for sharing! A tiger is (slightly) bigger than a lion, knowing it is a slender animal, not to mention the excess loose skin it has. Here is Alcyone the Siberian tiger compared to Llanga the African lion: https://youtu.be/CDPpNF-TbGg?si=HItdmvEe6Urot1g2 As for the word jungle, in Hindi it means an uninhabited place. Lions did not choose to live in savannas or in African national parks. The African Union forced lions to live in grassy areas as a way to control them, unlike Asian countries that lack control over tigers. They have tigers and leopards living among communities. Think of the Sundarbans: https://youtu.be/yZacOxNO-s0?si=IvTx6kV-VFQigssF In the kingship title, a tiger does not have the attributes of a king.
    • bostjan the adequate 🥉
      Are you suggesting that an animal that has preferred to live in the savannah for at least the last 1000 years was placed there by a multinational organization that formed in the late 1990's?
    • Jenny's Gone On Vacation
      Obviously, the 54 countries in Africa cannot allow lions to roam everywhere. Keeping track of lions has been working out in Africa, cause we're not talking about 1 lion, as if a lion was a solitary animal. Lions come in coalitions and prides, so any humans and protected wild animals such as gorillas who live in African rainforests will be in harm's way. Look up the Tsavo and Njombe man-eating lions. They are accounted for 1500+ human deaths.
    • bostjan the adequate 🥉
      Okay, I don't think anyone here is arguing that lions are not dangerous, nor that human societies don't try to control their bounds. However, A) humans also don't tend to live in "jungles" (i.e. densely thicketed rainforest that are uninhabitable), so I don't understand what the AU has to do with lions living predominantly in the savannah for pretty much all of recorded human history. I'd propose that their high speed and agility on flat ground makes them more comfortable hunting in grasslands than in thick forests, and maybe the fact that other large predators tend to prefer the forest might discourage lions from bothering with the forest for the sake of less competition. And B) the AU didn't exist for many centuries after what you are proposing they are responsible for transpiring. But, what do I know? Not like I specifically studied lion behaviour when I was planning on minoring in biology.
    • Jenny's Gone On Vacation
      I didn't say anyone here is saying lions are not dangerous. I am making a valid point why lions in Africa do not and cannot live in rainforests, simply because of their extremely dangerous nature. A) 102 million people live in the Democratic Republic of Congo. Gorillas play an important role in rainforests, specifically in the Congo Basin. We certainly don't want to see lions bring gorillas to extinction. B) I'm not saying either the African Union existed for many centuries, but that the AU in their existence has forced lions to live in savannas as a way to control them at sight, and not allow them to wander off all over the African continent.
    • Jenny's Gone On Vacation
      So yes, what do you know? I'll further tell you what I know. Fact: for thousands of years, lions roamed in North America, Africa, Europe, parts of Asia and as far as Siberia and Alaska: The American lion: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_lion The Cave lion: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panthera_spelaea *Facepalm*
    • bostjan the adequate 🥉
      Take one of your examples: the American Cave Lion. What role do you believe humans played in its extinction? Do you believe it lived in densely thicketed forests? Does this point support whatever argument you are trying to present? (Hint: It was hunted by humans, who arrived before its extinction, but its fossils are only found around the plains regions of the US, the plains region of Canada, nothern Mexico, and eastern Russia.)
    • Jenny's Gone On Vacation
      It is understandable that humans contributed to the extinction of the American lion. As for believing Cave lions lived in densely ticketed forests: don't think North America does not have rainforests. Do a Google search on the Tongass National Forest, the Chugach National Forest, the Pacific Rim National Park and the Olympic National Park to name the largest rainforests in North America.
    • Jenny's Gone On Vacation
      In modern times, it makes sense why lions in general live in savannas to keep civilians in Africa safe. In Asia as you see in the Sundarban documentary, there is no control over tigers. Now, if all the tigers from Asia were brought to the African savannas, they would not survive. Tigers are shy, solitary animals, were it is obvious a solitary tiger will come across packs of African wild dogs, organized hyena clans, Nile crocodiles, hippos, which by the way, (tigers are known to often lounge around in lakes and streams to cool themselves), and the most feared wild animals in Africa, a solitary tiger will have to deal with lion coalitions and lion prides. Knowing this, if all the lions in Africa were brought to Asia, lions will easily survive in rainforests. This is why from ancient times, the lion was given the title of King of the Jungle.

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