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  • What is your source?
    • Stpauligerle
      It was a tv program. Can't recall the name.
    • Linda Joy
      Charles denied she was a prostitute. And the rumor about the vodka was supposedly a pitcher of beer and the person who gave it to her was a woman, and the child was returned within days according to the rumor I read. https://allthatsinteresting.com/kathleen-maddox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Manson Besides that, many famous people were abused as children and didn't choose to become mass murderers because of it. https://www.ranker.com/list/famous-survivors-of-child-abuse/celebrity-lists
    • Stpauligerle
      Well then I can't back up my shit without the name of the tv show so ill retract.
    • Linda Joy
      It still made for some interesting conversation! I think everyone who looked in learned something. And more probably will.
  • Genetics: Charles Manson's biological parents were both criminals, and his grandparents, from what I understand, were criminals as well. Environment: Manson's stepdad was abusive, and the adults around during his childhood were all pieces of crap. By the time Charles Manson was 13 years old, he already had taken to stealing whatever he could, including firearms. Even though his home life was complete chaos, his IQ was assessed as being moderately above average, and he was known to have had some manipulative influence over other people by the age of 19. I don't think his mother selling him was what messed him up, I think, more generally, having a mother who would sell her child to a stranger for a drink, would lead to a series of other problems that would likely mess a person up. Sharing genetic material with some pretty horrible pieces of crap and then being raised by those same sorts of pieces of crap undoubtedly didn't help him break the cycle.
    • Linda Joy
      Are you talking about his maternal or paternal grandparents being criminals? What is your source?
    • bostjan64
      http://www.wargs.com/other/manson.html Charles Manson's family tree. He was a direct descendant of John "Buttermilk" McCoy (1788-1872), uncle of Ole Ran'I McCoy (of the Hatfield-McCoy Feud). His maternal grandfather, whom he was named after, and who passed away before he was born, was (supposedly, according to my grandmother, who is now deceased) in a knife fight with my great-grandfather in Kentucky. I know it's hearsay, but that's all I've got, thus the qualification "from what I understand."
    • Linda Joy
      Wiki says: "Charles Manson was born on November 12, 1934, to 16-year-old Kathleen Manson-Bower-Cavender,[7] née Maddox (1918–1973),[8] in the University of Cincinnati Academic Health Center in Cincinnati, Ohio. He was first named "no name Maddox".[9][10][11] Within weeks, he was called Charles Milles Maddox.[12][13] Manson's biological father appears to have been Colonel Walker Henderson Scott Sr. (1910–1954)[14] of Catlettsburg, Kentucky, against whom Kathleen Maddox filed a paternity suit that resulted in an agreed judgment in 1937." And: "In August 1934, before Manson's birth, Maddox married William Eugene Manson (1909–1961), " It doesn't say when his name was changed to Manson, but Manson was not his biological father. I'll have to check out that family tree! Your comments appear as though it was all maternal though, which would only be half of the genetic equation. And the Manson stepfather was only there until he was 3 so you can't blame him for all that much. It was also said that by the time he orchestrated the massacre that put him away for good he had already spent over half of his life in some sort of prison, so if you want to blame his raising you have to include government funded confinement facilities. But I think you're right about the genetics playing a part, but it was just a part. Being raised what part he was by those people was also a large part. Ultimately though it was his reaction to those influences and his own choices that made him who he became.
    • Linda Joy
      Ok, I see they got the right baby daddy, but your comments were about the mom's ancestry and his name Charles Milles Maddox was named after his maternal grandfather. Thank you for helping me learn more.
  • There are thousands of people who are abused as children and don't turn out that way.

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