ANSWERS: 21
  • How else will it be run properly? Would you rather have Satan running your country? And your supposed made up Quote is a lie. If you're going to quote Jesus at lease look it up and do it right, citing book and verse and an actual quote, maybe? Jesus never said those words in the KJV of The Bible I assure you!
    • Butterflies67
      John 17 v 14 Jesus said in prayer to his father, "I have given your word to them, but the world has hated them because they are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world." NWT 4 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. KJV. I think you need to check your bible as you can see the KJV does say that Jesus' followers were no part of the world.
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Butterflies, good comment. I usually study with the Jehovah's Witness, even though there are certain subjects I don't agree with them like Jesus is God and The Trinity. Besides that, keep spreading the Good News on Answerbag so people can start reading the Bible for a change.
    • Linda Joy
      Your quote is incorrect. Jesus does not say "HIS followers..." why would he? And there is no mention of politics that is your assumption that politics is of the world. And even though we are not of this world we do have to live in it and do our best to make it better. However in America we have done a better job at separating church from state. And thank you for providing a proper quote in your comment but its still wrong in the question.
    • Linda Joy
      Jesus hasn't returned yet to establish HIS government on the earth. Would you suggest we live in anarchy till then with no law at all? That's not the counsel HE gave Moses. He instructed Moses to set up judges to judge trespasses and keep the peace. So you're wrong. Not only was Moses a Christian, he was a prophet! And Moses wasn't the only prophet who was a judge. Maybe if you and Jenny would "start reading the Bible for a change", you'd understand what it actually says and stop judging other Christians for what you WRONGFULLY ASSUME they are doing wrong.
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, not one verse did you provide, other than give your opinion. Quote: "And there is no mention of politics that is your assumption that politics is of the world." Sure there is. The Gospel of Luke tells us that Caesar Augustus was the head politician of Rome who ordered a census taken of the entire Roman world for tax collections. Nothing in the teachings of Jesus gives even the slightest hint that He had any political involvement. Instead, He rebuked the Pharisees by stating Politics and Religion DON'T MIX by rendering to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. (Matthew 22:21)
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, quote: "Not only was Moses a Christian," LOL, Butterflies, there you have it.
    • Linda Joy
      Christ was the lord of the old testament. The teachings of Christianity were established by God before the world was created. I was referring to her quote when I said it said nothing about politics. Not the entire Bible. Politics are heavily discussed in The Bible as well as other scripture. Christ Himself was passed between jurisdictions before his crucifixion. Its always been about Christ. Alpha and Omega. The jews were taught about Christ and his coming through rituals and emblems. Everything they did pointed to His coming. Oh well, I guess we see things differently here. And I can agree to disagree because I have additional scriptures regarding Moses, though the KJV account is the same in Ex 18 https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/ot/ex/18?lang=eng ***** And thank you for encouraging me to read it again. It was not commanded of God. It was suggested by Jethro, but obviously approved by God.
    • Linda Joy
      Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's was a command to pay your taxes and obey the law. This is my opinion. But the example also showed how if you obey the law of the land as well as the law of God Then God will provide a way for it to be done. Which also reinforces the law of the tithe.
    • Linda Joy
      Your quote is not KJV ***13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, since Butterflies is not replying back, I will take her place until she or any other Jehovah's Witness finds the time to go over your comments. Claiming the teachings of Christianity were created by God, then you are implying Jesus is God. That's another argument you have to discuss with them. In biblical terms, the teachings of Christianity to be precisely were created by Jesus Himself. John 8:31 "So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are truly My disciples,"
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, quote: "Politics are heavily discussed in The Bible as well as other scripture." But you have no evidence to support your claims with scriptures. You will not find one passage in the New Testament were Christians should be involved in politics. It is the contrary in Jesus' teachings to avoid the Gospel from being polluted with politics. We are not to conform to the pattern of the world and only approve what is God's. Galatians 1:10 "For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ." Quote: "Christ Himself was passed between jurisdictions before his crucifixion." Passing through jurisdictions for condemnation and being involved in politics are 2 different agendas.
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, quote: "To your Exodus 18 link, those are your views by the BOM. People who only accept The Holy Bible will not agree Moses was a Christian. Moses lived in 1592 BCE. The timeline is way off track from Jesus' ministry. Quote: "Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's was a command to pay your taxes and obey the law." I'm not saying we are supposed to disobey the law, but it is not illegal in America to stay away from politics Period
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, once again, obeying the earthly laws is one thing, being a politician is another. Whichever side of the coin you are looking at, both sides of the coin cannot be one. Neither can you mix Religion with Politics as EVERYBODY knows they DON'T go together. As for the difference in the KJV and NWT the Jehovah's Witness use, Christians are in the world, but they are not from the world to make Godly decisions. Colossians 3:23 "Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men,"
    • Linda Joy
      I see Jenny wants to argue. I don't. The scripture this person quoted John 17 was unrecognizable to me because of the way it has been perverted! I have already posted the accurate KJV scripture. Butterflies has equated 'of the world' with politics. I disagree. But using her premise verse 18 says "As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world." So using her premise Jesus sent us into politics ..."that they also might be sanctified through the truth." I don't care if you disagree that all truth comes from God and that everything God taught Adam and Eve in the garden and after was Christianity. I never claimed that was scripture. But God has always testified of Christ and Christ has always testified of God! Maybe another day I'll read what Jenny posted. But I do want to make it clear Jesus and God are NOT the same person. This very prayer makes it glaringly obvious they are not the same person.
    • Linda Joy
      Note to Jenny - from what I happened to glance from your rants - The old testament is included in The Bible and Christianity has been taught long before Christ came to earth. And when I quote scripture you will know it. And when I don't, don't act like I did.
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, arguing? Actually you turned this subject into a discussion by implying Christians should be involved in politics. Your claims are not accurate for the fact that Jesus wasn't a politician. Your only claims are that Moses was a Christian when the timeline differs from Jesus' ministry, along with twisted interpretations of using Scripture. Quote: "The scripture this person quoted John 17 was unrecognizable to me because of the way it has been perverted!" It is not perverted to know how Christians are sanctified in God's Word and not in politics. John 17:17 "Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth." Once again, you are rebuked, since sanctification does not come from politics.
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, quote: " But I do want to make it clear Jesus and God are NOT the same person." That's funny because the Mormons I have talked to claim Jesus is the Creator. The subject of discussing Jesus is God does not concern me in this subject. You said God is the founder of Christianity. Your remarks are inaccurate, knowing Jesus is the founder of Christianity by the very word Christ. Quote: "The old testament is included in The Bible and Christianity has been taught" Yeah, and we must read the Bible in context. Not because the Old Testament is part of the Bible does not mean we are under the Mosaic law. *A big Facepalm*
    • Linda Joy
      God spoke it, Jesus executed it. Just like the CO and XO of a ship. But I doubt they ever said God and Jesus are the same person. But please do tell me what Mormons believe because you must know better than me because you know everything right? If you want to know what Mormons believe you can go to lds.org, or mormon.org. easy enough to remember, right? I think your brain has been damaged by too many facepalms!
    • Linda Joy
      Saying the OT was part of The Bible was in response to you asking me where in the NT was government mentioned when I said it was mentioned a lot on THE BIBLE. I'm tired of you and your tired arguments. I don't care what you believe or what you THINK Mormons believe or the semantics of when the term Christian was coined. God is the same always He wouldn't SWITCH RELIGIONS halfway through The Bible! That's idiotic! The same thing has been taught from the beginning.
    • Linda Joy
      The example of Moses was just one example, and if you're half as smart as you think you are you know were probably a dozen other examples of the government being mentioned in scripture is located. This argument is not worth my time. It is not educating anyone or endearing them to The Scriptures. You are an evil woman who just wants to argue and try to prove you know more than everyone else. Evidently you haven't yet learned that contention is the tool of Satan and so are you!
    • Linda Joy
      Besides the fact I can answer this question any way I see fit. You can argue all day you're not going to change my opinion and you know it.
    • Linda Joy
      Do you really think Jesus waned us to live in anarchy until His return?
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, quote: "God spoke it, Jesus executed it. Just like the CO and XO of a ship. But I doubt they ever said God and Jesus are the same person." To stay relevant, it's not for me to argue if Jesus is God on this subject. I'm just letting you know how it's funny that you as a supposedly Mormon denies Jesus is God, while Mormonism teaches Jesus is God. In Moses 2:1, Elder Maxwell testifies that Christ is the creator and savior of the world. https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/pgp/moses/2.1?lang=eng https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2013/10/the-divine-mission-of-jesus-christ-creator?lang=eng https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/tg/jesus-christ-creator?lang=eng
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, by Mormon beliefs, I don't see what you're trying to pull here. Either you deny Jesus is God to avoid a discussion with the Jehovah's Witness or perhaps you are a newcomer to Mormonism. Quote: "Saying the OT was part of The Bible was in response to you asking me where in the NT was government mentioned" I don't deny the Old Testament being a part of the Bible. In fact, there were government laws by the Mosaic law, but none that applied to Christians. Further evidence: Galatians 3:23-25 "But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster." Context, context, context is what I tell everyone who thinks they know the Bible.
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, quote: "You are an evil woman who just wants to argue and try to prove you know more than everyone else." My reasoning speaks for itself. Since your remarks do not hold water, it's not my fault you feel harassed. Other AB'ers comment on my answers and I don't complain about it.
    • Linda Joy
      I never said Jesus wasn't a god. I said He and God are not the same person as evidenced at Jesus' baptism. God spoke from Heaven, Jesus was on earth and The Holy Ghost was in the form of a dove. They are three separate entities that are one in purpose. And as for your references, it reinforces what I said about God speaking the world into existence and Jesus being the one who executed God's words and created the world. Furthermore, if you don't vote you are not doing your job as one of "We the people" and just in case you are too stupid to understand that means "We the people" are the government as per the constitution whether you choose to do your job as a citizen or not, you are a casting an absentee vote to let others choose for you. I never claimed to be a good Mormon or a good Christian, or even well educated, but I've been a Mormon since 1994.
    • Linda Joy
      Jenny said: "You said God is the founder of Christianity. Your remarks are inaccurate, knowing Jesus is the founder of Christianity" Are YOU saying these are Jesus' ideas and not God's to begin with? When did Jesus ever teach anything that wasn't of God? Wasn't it Jesus that said "Thy will, not mine be done"? So do you still deny God was the ultimate founder of Christianity or did Jesus just make this stuff up himself and so you are not following the will of God but rather the will of Jesus? And does God change, or is HE the same yesterday today and forever? So therefore God is a Christian and taught Christianity FROM THE BEGINNING AND FOREVER! GOD DID NOT CHANGE HIS RELIGION HALFWAY THROUGH THE BIBLE! And you never responded to this: " Butterflies has equated 'of the world' with politics. I disagree. But using her premise verse 18 says "As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world." So using her premise Jesus sent us into politics ..."that they also might be sanctified through the truth." " So if politics is "the world" then Jesus obviously sent us into it with a purpose. Case closed! UNLESS of course you can find an actual verse in the KJV of The Bible that says: "Christians shall not enter politics"!!!!!
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, quote: "I never said Jesus wasn't a god. I said He and God are not the same person as evidenced at Jesus' baptism." Claiming Jesus and God are not the same being is like saying God was not manifested in the flesh to disprove your claims. 1 Timothy 3:16 "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." Quote: "And as for your references, it reinforces what I said about God speaking the world into existence and Jesus being the one who executed God's words and created the world." All things were created by Jesus is what Mormons believe, despite of the differences in religious books. Colossians 1:16 "For by Him were all things created, that are in Heaven, and that are in Earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by Him, and for Him:"
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, quote: "Furthermore, if you don't vote you are not doing your job as one of "We the people" and just in case you are too stupid to understand that means" For a better understanding, it is not against the law if a person does not want to vote. So go dictate somewhere else. *Facepalm*
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, quote: "Are YOU saying these are Jesus' ideas and not God's to begin with?" The Son can only do what He sees the Father doing to know that Jesus is the founder of Christianity. In other words, all glory goes to the Father by what Jesus did on Earth. John 5:19 "So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of His own accord, but only what He sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise." Quote: "So therefore God is a Christian and taught Christianity" The name of Jesus Christ in Hebrew means "Immanuel" and Greek for "Emmanuel." It is how the prophets and the disciples knew "God is with us," and the prophecy finds its fulfillment in the birth of Jesus. Quote: "So if politics is "the world" then Jesus obviously sent us into it with a purpose. Case closed!" You don't have an argument, since it is a purpose to serve God or Satan.
    • Butterflies67
      Interesting reading ladies. I have a lot to answer there so please bear with me. The reason I have not been here of late is that I have moved from the UK to serve in Northern Ireland, which as you are probably aware is a very religious country, having a mix of Protestant and Catholic with their offshoots. With regard to Politics. Politics are a worldly association. Remember Jesus ran away when the Jews wanted to make him King. He also told Pontius Pilate that his "Kingdom is not of this world". If a Christian votes for a particular politic party then he is being part of the world. The world is dominated by politicians, whether a dictatorship or a democracy Satan is the ruler of this world as Jesus said in John 14 v 30. Consider also the occasion when Satan the Devil offered Jesus Christ all the Kingdoms of the world in return for worship. He could only make this offer because he was their ruler. Furthermore, the ruler of this world is also the god of this system of things. The Devil does, as a master of deception, mislead people by religions that claim to serve the true God, for it says at 2 Corinthians 11 v 13-15 "For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves a apostles of Christ. And no wonder for Satn himself keeps disguising himself as an angel of light It is therefore nothing extraordinary if his ministers also keep disguising themselves as ministers of righteousness. But their end will be according to their works"
    • Butterflies67
      I will comment further when I have digested the other points made in your comments.
    • Texasescimo
      Linda, which King James version do you use? Is this better? It still has the same meaning. John 17:14 I haue giuen them thy word, and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, euen as I am not of the world.
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Butterflies, take your time. There is never a rush on AB. Quote: " Remember Jesus ran away when the Jews wanted to make him King. He also told Pontius Pilate that his "Kingdom is not of this world"." Exactly, and even though we are in the world - it does not mean we can become politicians as Linda Joy sees it.
    • Butterflies67
      At John 17 v 14 -16, Jesus said in prayer, "I have given your word to them, but the world has hated them, because they are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world. I request you not to take them out of the world, but to watch over them because of the wicked one. They are no part of the world just as I am no part of the world". Yes, we may be firm and determined to keep separate from the world on large issues. But what about smaller things? Without realizing it we may be influenced. For instance, with COVID-19 we could easily begin to take sides on the issues surrounding this pandemic.
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Butterflies67, I couldn't agree more with John chapter 17. Satan's power is over all the nations of the world. Isaiah 14:12 "How art thou fallen from Heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"
    • Linda Joy
      This is ridiculous! If you don't participate in anything that is "of this world" You'd have to give back your ridiculously expensive bags that you chose over feeding the poor you wretched witch! Your life is already cursed because of your greed. Why would God tell his prophet to establish a government if it was against HIS teachings to do so? That makes no sense at all! Jesus said he sent us into the world just as God did him! But that doesnt' fit your narrative, does it?
    • Linda Joy
      I could claim that not being "of this world" means not buying anything processed. Make your own shit, not what "this world" produces! Go hunt and gather like an idiot! You are participating in things "of this world" when you get a haircut if you don't do it yourself. Movies and music are "of this world" You participate in that as well, don't you? I could interpret this thing a hundred ways that would sink your salvation, but that's not how it was intended. Just the story about the talents tells you you are supposed to maximize your charge. What if God put you into politics? Unimaginable? No, he did the same to Moses!
    • Linda Joy
      Jesus sent us into the world, just as God did Him. He said so.
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, quote: "This is ridiculous! If you don't participate in anything that is "of this world" It's not ridiculous. It is not up to us to decide with what and what should we participate in, now that we are not our own. 1 Corinthians 6:19 "Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,"
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, quote: "Jesus said he sent us into the world just as God did him!" He sent us into the world to follow His example. 2 Corinthians 5:21 "He made Christ who knew no sin to [judicially] be sin on our behalf, so that in Him we would become the righteousness of God [that is, we would be made acceptable to Him and placed in a right relationship with Him by His gracious lovingkindness]."
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, quote: "I could claim that not being "of this world" means not buying anything processed." Don't blame Christians for being too choosy. God gave us a brain so we can decide what's good for our bodies.
  • i dont see anything wrong with it
  • Yes, it is OK for Christians to be in politics. What often happens is they start compromising things with their beliefs and are no better than those whom do not believe.
    • Butterflies67
      True Christians look to God's Kingdom (or government) to rule over the earth. No government of man has been able to solve the problems whether it be war, crime, sickness, poverty,famine. So religious leaders should be focusing on Gods Kingdom rather than getting involved in man's futile governments.
    • Linda Joy
      That's not going to happen until the second coming. Should we let infrastructure rot and criminals run wild until then? How stupid is that? True Christians should be feeding the hungry housing the homeless, protecting widows and orphans so the government doesn't have to do it for them!! What is your church doing for 'the least of these' our brethren? What are you, personally doing as a Christian to help them? And Christians shouldn't be sitting in judgement of one another either!
    • Butterflies67
      What do you mean by the second coming? Jesus has taken up his rulership as King of Gods Kingdom in the Heavens. He will not be returning to the earth in the flesh again. Gods Kingdom is the means by which all the problems on earth will be removed and God's original purpose will be fulfilled. In the meantime, you ask what JWs are doing for society. Apart from giving them the Good News of Gods Kingdom, our organisation helps in various ways when there are disasters. We do not make a big show of it. In 1989 when Hurricane Hugo and the earthquake in northern California. Volunteers assisted in rebuilding local residences. There are many instances during disasters both in word and deed volunteers shared in helping others. Many were without the means to have even their daily food. I and many millions like me, do their best to help ones in need. We don't stand on a mountain and shout out like other religions.
    • Linda Joy
      I love.that answer! And I wish more people knew or at least found out what their church does for 'the least of these' and how much their own pastor takes home. I assume your pastor is not paid for being a pastor, and if they are it's none of my business. But it is the business of the members. Thank you for your comment / answer.
    • Butterflies67
      A baptised Jehovah's Witness is a pastor or ordained minister.There is no professional clergy, so there is no distinction between clergy and lay people. All members take on the ministerial work of telling and teachng about The Bible.
    • Linda Joy
      Every member a missionary.
  • No, Jesus wasn't a politician. The primary goal of the Church is not to become a political movement, but a spiritual influence. Romans 12:2 "Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect."
  • Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      What a way of tap dancing to avoid a discussion. I may suggest you let the questioner know if it's a Yes or a No.
    • Cry me a River
      You answer the way you want to, let others do the same.
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      How sensitive. The Bible encourages Christians to respond with Yay or Nay. Having the gift of God to SPEAK is important. 1 Peter 4:11 "Do you have the gift of speaking? Then speak as though God Himself were speaking through you. Do you have the gift of helping others? Do it with all the strength and energy that God supplies. Then everything you do will bring glory to God through Jesus Christ. All glory and power to Him forever and ever! Amen."
    • Linda Joy
      Her answer was just fine. And she's right she can answer whatever way she wants and you have no right to harass her just because you don't like the way she answered. No one asked you to jump in on everyone's answer and assess it! You're not the fount from which all wisdom flows you self righteous piece of commentary! I haven't exactly seen you following your own advice. You ran on at the mouth on my answer too without invitation and only to stir up contention you weren't trying to help anyone! I know for sure God doesn't speak through your mouth of contention! You're supposed to lift others up not put them down. Everyone doesn't have to agree with you and you don't know as much as you THINK you do!
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, quote: "Her answer was just fine. And she's right she can answer whatever way she wants" With no doubt, her answer is fine since it is for the sake of answering, but to speak of harassment, not quite. If you want to consider it harassment to leave people comments you disagree with, then she harassed me, only to get reprimanded: http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/3515117#a8840672
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, discussions on AB are for educational purposes. According to biblical standards, her answer is not precise. Yay or Nay, along with Godly inspired interpretations is the way to have a true understanding. Quote: "Everyone doesn't have to agree with you and you don't know as much as you THINK you do!" For your information, I am a female Pastor who graduated from college in philosophy and theology. I am not putting anyone down. On the contrary, if I didn't care about Violet's answer, I would not be leaving her comments to set things straight. In 2 Timothy 3:16-17, believers are instructed to teach and correct others.
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, if you feel harassed because of my comments, at least have the "courage" to let me know to stay away from your answers and I will do so. This is what separates my qualities from yours, knowing I am not afraid to speak my mind when I see an answer I don't agree with.
    • Linda Joy
      You're a liar. I'm not afraid to speak my mind and you know it! And that education wasn't worth a penny if they didn't teach you not to be contentious. Actually I'm shocked that you went through all that education and still don't know the very basics that Jesus and God created this world together from the beginning. And the whole lesson of taming the tongue has escaped you as well. And who are you to say that discussions are for educational purposes. Not all of them are. There is a whole category labeled jokes. And some of us are making friends and maintaining friendships here. And I suppose 1 Timothy 2:12 doesn't apply to you!
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, quote: "You're a liar. I'm not afraid to speak my mind and you know it!" Not exactly, people who are not afraid to speak their minds do not WHINE when an argument does not go their way. Not only that, liars are KNOWN when they run into a verbal hiccup. You claim Jesus isn't God - Mormons disagree with your claims by the links I added on the other thread. Also, the Answerbag user by the name of Violet professes to be a Christian and has cussed me out various times: http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/3514656 So don't hate, cause my level of education enables me to be too adroit at it.
    • Linda Joy
      Who's whining about being cussed out, HYPOCRITE? AND whining about this: "If you want to consider it harassment to leave people comments you disagree with, then she harassed me, only to get reprimanded:" Your level of education teaches you how to be arrogant and self righteous! And you are still arguing about something I never said which makes you look foolish and pompous!
    • Linda Joy
      You are an educated fool, and the more you talk the more you prove you are a hypocrite who doesn't even follow her own preaching.
    • Linda Joy
      And another example of your hypocricy when you said SHE was being sensitive for speaking her mind and telling YOU the truth! Who got sensitive then and tried to tell her she was wrong? YOU ARE WRONG for telling her how to answer. EVERYONE doesn't have to agree with you!! And you twist the scriptures to suit your agenda. You are despicable! You are satan incarnate for trying to force others to choose to believe whatever you say instead of choosing to believe what THEY CHOOSE. It was satan's plan for us to surrender our agency to him so we would not have the ability to choose and God kicked him out of heaven for it!
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, quote: "Who's whining about being cussed out, HYPOCRITE? AND whining about this:" Obviously it is not me who is whining. I am letting you know how others find it inappropriate when I leave them comments, yet they push their opinions on my answers with profanity and insults when things don't go their way. It is not arrogant, self-righteous or hypocritical to defend my standpoint. Quote: "And you twist the scriptures to suit your agenda." Another empty argument of yours. From hundreds of my religious answers, show me where I have twisted Scripture and we can go over them: http://www.answerbag.com/profile
    • Linda Joy
      If you find a comment offensive, flag it. If admin agrees it may be deleted. If you'd rather argue, go ahead and take your chances. I'm tired, and this is not productive. I have productive things on which I'd rather spend my time. Thank you.
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, I'm not forcing anyone to participate in discussions. If you don't want to go along with the parade, it is your decision to make way for those who want to argue. I believe that arguing should be done for educational purposes only. Anything else that's offensive should be flagged.
    • Linda Joy
      Flag what you want. IMO someone who CLAIMS their religion teaches them not to be involved in politics yet dedicates large portions of their time and energy debating about that very thing obviously hasn't learned that lesson or is in rebellion to the teaching.
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, don't think because I am unable to receive notifications on other answers besides my own does not mean I won't come back to this subject. Oh, I don't dedicate my time on subjects about politics. I spread Bible awareness on "religious questions" that mention politics.
    • Linda Joy
      I don't care what notifications you receive! You are obviously narcissist tripping if you think I give a crap which answers on which you comment! You're sick! You need to see a psychiatrist. And while I'm on the subject be sure to tell them you claim to be brilliant! While I'm guessing you have an IQ of no more than 110. They only way you could be brilliant is if someone put a spotlight on you and no one is going to do that but you!
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, it's not my fault things don't go your way in these discussions. So don't hate the player, hate the game. In this case, the participants on Answerbag who are too adroit at it.
  • The Queen is the supreme governor of the Church of England. Be it the Queen is also a Knight of Malta who were an ancient Catholic order. Also, the Holy See has a full legal personality in International law. Also, the Pope is a King, so he crosses the secular role. The House of Lords is made up of priests archbishops and Barons. So whether a Christian decides to involve themselves in politics or not, the religion and secular are clearly entwined. Whether it is a Christian religion is questionable, America is loaded with Roman gods, as is the UK, you have Minerva/Athena on the parliament building, and the founders such as Washington believed in apotheosis. The statue of liberty was originally meant for Egypt and is more than likely the goddess Isis, 33rd degree mason Albert Pike referred to her in his writings. The Washington monument is an obelisk standing inside a vesica pisces, and in the waters is reflected As Above So Below. However the bible states "In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." The bible calls us ambassadors for Christ, speaking boldly. Devote ourselves to ministry and to prayer.
  • Why should someone that believes in God be discriminated against? They could still do a political job and believe in God at the same time.
    • Butterflies67
      When you are involved in politics you get entrenched in worldly affairs. Jesus was completely neutral in the social and political conflicts of the day. "If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews but, as it is my kingdom is not from this source". He also urged his followers to shun attitudes, speech, and conduct condemned in Gods Word, see Matthew 20 v 25 - 27. So a true Christian would not get involved in politics.
  • YES a Christian should be involved in politics we do want His words to be in our government after all this country is built on the faith of Christianity. If God is not in it, it will ultimately fail.
  • Good question Butterflies67. I just saved it in my favorites, so I can get to it a lot quicker. I was looking to hear the other Jehovah's Witness take on politics.
  • In Matthew 4:8-10 Satan showed Jesus “all of the kingdoms of the world and their glory” then he offered to give them to Jesus if he did an act of worship. How can satan give away something that isn’t his? Psalm 2:2 prophetically describes the “kings of the earth” taking a stand against our Almighty God. Revelation 19 describes “the kings of the earth”, the “wild beast” and the “false prophet” are all grouped together as being misleading and receiving the mark of the beast. These organizations, along those associated with them, will all be hurled into the Lake of fire and sulfur.
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      The question is asking if Christians should be involved in politics. How many Christian politicians are found in the New Testament?
    • LizzyP
      What is the origin of earthly government?
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Hello LizzyP, I couldn't get back to you a lot sooner. I got distracted with other questions. We know Satan is the head governor of the world, but we also know the origin of money, yet we carry it. Should a Christian be involved in politics or not?
    • Texasescimo
      Can you serve two masters? (John 6:15) Then Jesus, knowing that they were about to come and seize him to make him king, withdrew again to the mountain all alone. (John 17:16) They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world. (John 18:36) Jesus answered: “My Kingdom is no part of this world. If my Kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my Kingdom is not from this source.” (Matthew 22:15-22) Then the Pharisees went and conspired together in order to trap him in his speech. 16?So they sent their disciples to him, together with party followers of Herod, saying: “Teacher, we know you are truthful and teach the way of God in truth, and you do not seek anyone’s favor, for you do not look at the outward appearance of people. 17?Tell us, then, what do you think? Is it lawful to pay head tax to Caesar or not?” 18?But Jesus, knowing their wickedness, said: “Why do you put me to the test, hypocrites? 19?Show me the tax coin.” They brought him a de·nar?i·us. 20?He said to them: “Whose image and inscription is this?” 21?They said: “Caesar’s.” Then he said to them: “Pay back, therefore, Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.” 22?When they heard that, they were amazed, and they left him and went away. (Daniel 2:44) “In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever, Acts 5:29
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Texasescimo, to serve by definition means to present something to someone. In serving 2 masters: God or money, we all serve money in the sense that we need it, and we are all subject to the governing authorities. (Romans 13:1) The question here , are Christians allowed to be politicians is not supported in Scripture. Many say Matthew was a tax collector. (Matthew 9:9-13) But many fail to see that Matthew was a tax collector before he became a believer.
    • LizzyP
      Money and politics are 2 different things. I answered the question “should Christians be involved in politics?” Based on the direct relationship between politics and this wicked system of things, the answer is clear. You said it yourself “Satan governs this world”, therefore, anyone involved in politics would be working directly with whom?
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      LizzyP, you haven't answered my question. I don't know why you find it difficult to say: Yes, Christians can be politicians or No, Christians should not be involved in politics. Quote: "Money and politics are 2 different things." Uhh, you can't be serious, cause the government gets the money it spends through taxation. lol
    • LizzyP
      Jenny, you said that “Satan is the head governor of the world”. Why do you find it so difficult to reason with the Scriptures and conclude for yourself? Is it reasonable for a true Christian to get involved with an organization that is clearly influenced and controlled by the enemy of God? Public schools, like money, are regulated by the government, “you can’t be serious” do you think that all public school students are involved in politics? It is reasonable to think that generating income, paying taxes & contributing to the economy automatically makes you a politician? Based on your reasoning regarding politics and money, someone who didn’t vote for the current president should discontinue the use of U.S. currency until he/she is voted out of the office?
    • Linda Joy
      Lizzy, "What is the origin of earthly government?" Good question! I disagree with your answer. Earthly government started in the Garden of Eden before Satan's temptation and the fall. Afam and Eve were taught HIS PRINCIPLES DIRECTLY BY GOD!
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Hi LizzyP, I see you want to flex on these comments. I didn't think you wanted to. So I will have save this subject on my list of discussions to check on this subject on a daily basis. And I guarantee you will lose this discussion. You can count on that. :D
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      LizzyP, you wrote: "Why do you find it so difficult to reason with the Scriptures and conclude for yourself?" Actually, I have been saying all along that Christians should NOT be involved in politics. Where do you get the idea that I'm encouraging Christians to be politicians by the question in this subject????????????????????? *Facepalm*
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      LizzyP, on students who receive money, does it mean they are politicians? Students who receive money only means they are learning. That's the whole idea of being a student. You should know better. Choosing a career is what makes them politicians or not. Just like Matthew who was a tax collector before he became a believer as I mentioned above. It's not my fault you couldn't look up the passage. Matthew 9:9-13 "As Jesus went on from there, He saw a man named Matthew (Levi) sitting in the tax collector’s booth; and He said to him, Follow Me [as My disciple, accepting Me as your Master and Teacher and walking the same path of life that I walk]. And Matthew got up and followed Him. 10 Then as Jesus was reclining at the table in Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners [including non-observant Jews] came and ate with Him and His disciples. 11 When the Pharisees saw this, they asked His disciples, Why does your Master eat with tax collectors and sinners? 12 But when Jesus heard this, He said, Those who are healthy have no need for a physician, but [only] those who are sick. 13 Go and learn what this [Scripture] means: I desire compassion [for those in distress], and not [animal] sacrifice,’ for I did not come to call [to repentance] the [self-proclaimed] righteous [who see no need to change], but sinners [those who recognize their sin and actively seek forgiveness]. 13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I Am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      LizzyP, quote: "It is reasonable to think that generating income, paying taxes & contributing to the economy automatically makes you a politician?" By law, we all have to pay taxes. One thing is being subject to the government, another thing is becoming a politician.
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, in case you haven't noticed, LizzyP fails to acknowledge earthly government. John 17:16 "They are not of the world, just as I Am not of the world." Meaning, we live in the world, but that doesn't mean we should be involved in politics. And since all of her Jehovah's Witness fellows on this subject are claiming what I'm claiming, she is all confused.
    • LizzyP
      Titus 3:1 “Continue... to be in subjection and to be obedient to governments and authorities...” JR, I’m not confused nor am I going to debate. Do not put words in my mouth, you do not have a full understanding of my beliefs. You are not qualified to explain my beliefs to anyone else. I answered the original question MY way. I do not always agree with your answers, however, I do not aggressively pursue you in order to stir up contentions. My Bible based opinions are just that “my” opinions. I do not become offended when others do not share my opinions. I am mature enough to understand that we are all different and I will continue to show dignity and respect to all of the ABers because this is what Jesus expects from his followers. I’m through with this convo.
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      LizzyP, quote: "Titus 3:1 “Continue... to be in subjection and to be obedient to governments and authorities...”" You just don't know what you're arguing about and Yes, you are confused simply for the matter that I'm not SAYING we should defy the laws of the land. My argument is: subjection and obedience does not mean Christians can become politicians. What part do you not understand? Christians can become politicians or Christians should NOT be involved in politics??? I am a Christian and I'm not a politician, neither do I vote like the Jehovah's Witness , since it's not against the law to refuse to vote. Although I obey the laws of the land. *Double Facepalm*
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      LizzyP, I encourage Christians and everyone who wants to learn about the scriptures to abide by the laws of the land. Romans 13:1-7 "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God [granted by His permission and sanction], and those which exist have been put in place by God. 2 Therefore whoever [a]resists [governmental] authority resists the ordinance of God. And those who have resisted it will bring judgment (civil penalty) on themselves. 3 For [civil] authorities are not a source of fear for [people of] good behavior, but for [those who do] evil. Do you want to be unafraid of authority? Do what is good and you will receive approval and commendation. 4 For he is God’s servant to you for good. But if you do wrong, [you should] be afraid; for he does not carry the [executioner’s] sword for nothing. He is God’s servant, an avenger who brings punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be subject [to civil authorities], not only to escape the punishment [that comes with wrongdoing], but also as a matter of principle [knowing what is right before God]. 6 For this same reason you pay taxes, for civil authorities are God’s servants, devoting themselves to governance. 7 Pay to all what is due: tax to whom tax is due, customs to whom customs, respect to whom respect, honor to whom honor."
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      LizzyP, again, Christians must be subject to the government. That's the whole idea of submitting to the governing authorities, cause no good Christian would suggest you become an anarchist. Quote: "Do not put words in my mouth, you do not have a full understanding of my beliefs. You are not qualified to explain my beliefs to anyone else." I am very qualified to set biblical matters straight, and I am putting the corrected words you should have added for clarity. All you have been doing is DENYING my questions and twisting Scripture to make it seem as if you have something going.
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      LizzyP, it is funny how you say: "My Bible based opinions are just that “my” opinions." And that's why the scriptures are used for teaching and correction so that me, you or anyone else who claims to be a Christian can be equipped for every good work. (2 Timothy 3:16-17)
    • Butterflies67
      Quite rightly, Jenny Rizzo, the scriptures are for teaching, reproving, setting things straight for disciplining in righteousness. The Apostle Paul is pointing out the perfection of the Holy Writings in saying the aforegoing What the Hebrew scriptures did for the Nation of Isreal when they observed them, what the completed Scriptures did for the Christian congregation in the 1st Century and what the Bible can do for persons today, is convincing proof of its qualities as an ideal instrument of god to accomplish his purpose. It true that some portions of the Bible were initially directed to an individual or group, that is why we need to read the Scriptures with an open mind. We often use Paul's words to show others that the Bible is of divine origin. As such, we must never become complacent in our worship. Instead, we need to keep testing ourselves to make sure we are walking in the way of the truth.
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Butterflies67, the Bible should be read, studied and preached simply because it is God’s Word. Not everyone who claims to be a Christian reads the Bible or believes in it. Those who read the Bible are actually more progressive. In my religious beliefs of the Seventh-Day Adventists, reasoning with the scriptures is highly important whether we are preaching at church, going door-to-door on people's homes on the Sabbath, as well as answering questions on Q&A websites and etc. Either we reason with the scriptures or we don't. Anything else beyond Scripture is earthly inspired.
    • Linda Joy
      It should be done with the assistance of The Spirit.
    • Jenny Rizzo is brilliant ⭐
      Linda Joy, rrright, just don't forget to read the Bible first.
  • "his followers are no part of the world" is not meant to be taken in the literal sense.
  • No. A Christian should not be involved in Politics. At John 18:36 Jesus said, “My Kingdom is no part of this world.” Jesus was the prospective King of Gods heavenly government. Had Jesus mixed in politics, he would have sacrificed his loyalty to his father’s government. Even Satan the Devil tempted Jesus and offered him all the kingdoms of the world, and their glory. Jesus rejected this political opportunity. Matthew 4:8-10. To learn more, Please visit jworg.
  • Politics and religion are two separate things and should be kept separate. I personally prefer not to discuss either.
    • Linda Joy
      Yet you discussed both!
  • Number one: If you mean an individual who follows the Christian religion, then absolutely. Everyone should be free to become involved in politics, as it is governance and policy that affects everyone. Number two: If you mean whether the Christian Church itself should be involved in politics, then also yes, but perhaps in a limited way. I do not believe that a government in this day and age would be successful is it was led solely by faith.
  • This is a great question. First, Jesus Christ said of his followers: “They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.” (John 17:14) Jehovah’s Witnesses take this principle seriously. Being “no part of the world,” they are neutral in the political affairs of the world.​—John 18:36. Second, the apostle Paul referred to himself as an “ambassador” representing Christ to the people of his day. (Ephesians 6:20; 2 Corinthians 5:20) Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Christ Jesus is now the enthroned King of God’s heavenly Kingdom, and they, like ambassadors, must announce this to the nations. (Matthew 24:14; Revelation 11:15) Ambassadors are expected to be neutral and not to interfere in the internal affairs of the countries to which they are sent. As representatives of God’s heavenly Kingdom, Jehovah’s Witnesses feel a similar obligation not to interfere in the politics of the countries where they reside. A third factor to consider is that those who have a part in voting a person into office may become responsible for what he does. (Compare 1 Timothy 5:22, The New English Bible.) Christians have to consider carefully whether they want to shoulder that responsibility. Fourth, Jehovah’s Witnesses greatly value their Christian unity. (Colossians 3:14) When religions get involved in politics, the result is often division among their members. In imitation of Jesus Christ, Jehovah’s Witnesses avoid becoming involved in politics and thus maintain their Christian unity.​—Matthew 12:25; John 6:15; 18:36, 37. Fifth and finally, their keeping out of politics gives Jehovah’s Witnesses freeness of speech to approach people of all political persuasions with the important message of the Kingdom.​—Hebrews 10:35. For more information on this subject please visit jworg
  • Politics and religion should be kept separate, but religious people needn't be forbidden to get involved with politics as long as they keep them separate.
  • Should they be involved in debating the subject? I think my time can be better spent on something positive. Thank you all for the insight.
  • Yes, as long as they remember to keep religion and politics separate.
  • Yes, it is every ones responsibility to not only Worship God, but be vehemently involved with the lives of there friends and neighbors. This includes being responsible for voicing scriptural guidelines in all everyday matters. If only non Christian people are involved in political discussion, than only non Christian beliefs will be the ultimate outcome of said discussion. How would you expect to have governing bodies implement policy from a Christian standpoint if Christians do not speak up in the name of God and his Word, the Bible? The Jehovah's witnesses are extremely lacking in this area. the reason they do not have any say in Political discussion, is that when things are bad politically they can say "well we had nothing to do with that". That is a cop out. Just like Canadians that live in America and retain Canadian citizenship. They enjoy all of the gifts and freedoms of America, yet have no responsibility to contribute.
  • Politics should not be based on religion. The two are toxic enough separately, but much worse together.
  • He did say that, and it appears in contradiction to Romans 13 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which is from God. The authorities that exist have been appointed by God. Consequently, whoever resists authority is opposing what God has set in place, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Do you want to be unafraid of the one in authority? Then do what is right, and you will have his approval. For he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not carry the sword in vain. He is God’s servant, an agent of retribution to the wrongdoer. Therefore it is necessary to submit to authority, not only to avoid punishment, but also as a matter of conscience. This is also why you pay taxes. For the authorities are God’s servants, who devote themselves to their work. Pay everyone what you owe him: taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due. Which is probably why the House of Lords bishops are involved in decision making. (Just realised this is an old question)

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