• You get the 'Big If' award of the day. Here's another 'Big If' for you: what if God didn't know that Lucifer was going to rebel? The same question could be asked about Adam.
  • If there was a god there would have to be a devil, you cannot have one without the other. Nature will always find an equlibrium. Since men invented the gods they had to have some sort of anti-god for balance. Without the contrast, how would you know good from evil, at least in the religious sense?
    • ReiSan
      The Devil was not even mentioned in the first parts of the Bible. He is a copy of the evil deity Ahriman in Zoroastrianism of Persia. He thus was added soon after Persia conquered Israel.
    • mushroom
      There is no proper noun Devil in the Hebrew Bible, only "ha-Satan" meaning an obstacle or adversary sent by God as a challenge.
  • i didnt know he did
  • It wanted someone to spar with.
  • God gave free will , and we choose what roads were going to take . Yes God knows the outcome of both of those roads but by free will we have a choice of what road we shall take Lucifer chose rebellion against God .Adam chose to ignore God's warning . And we chose everyday to follow God or go our own way .God knows the possible outcomes for us but we choose the ones were going to take .
  • I have no proof that either one exists.
  • Maybe God had this plan already made. For good reason God let this happen.
  • Jehovah God gave all his creation free Satan chose wrongly...making himself an enemy of Jehovah....Sadly, a third of all the created angels in heaven also chose wrong...and these ones became the demons. (Revelation 8:12) The fourth angel blew his trumpet. And a third of the sun was struck and a third of the moon and a third of the stars, in order that a third of them might be darkened and the day might not have light for a third of it, and the night likewise. In this scripture, the stars are the angels. (Revelation 12:4) and its tail drags a third of the stars of heaven, and it hurled them down to the earth. And the dragon kept standing before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she did give birth, it might devour her child.
  • There must be opposition in all things.
    • Lilo Avli
      I disagree.
  • That makes no sense. Still, it is part of the con game. If God is omniscient, he knew the Devil would lead many of his creations into eternal punishment. Only an extremely sadistic deity would allow this. God is far worse than the Devil, for he created him knowing what he would do and allows him to lead millions of humans to eternal torture. Fear of Hell and enforcing guilt upon people motivates them to pay Christians churches 10% of their money. It is a crude con game. If a person can be logical, critical and objective, he laughs at such a goofy tale. Clergymen try to arouse hysteria, so that People cannot be logical, critical and objective, of course. If God is omniscient, he is the ultimate sadist who creates humans so that he can torture many or most of them forever. He was not omniscient in the first tales about him. He comes across as a clumsy ninny who is quite ineffectual as a creator.
    • Jenny Rizzo
      Quote: "Only an extremely sadistic deity would allow this." You wouldn't like it if you were only allowed to do what God instructed you to do. Then you would say it is not fair. This is why none of what you say holds water. Romans 1:22 "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,"
    • Jenny Rizzo
      If that's the case, then God couldn't be any fairer. To your hell remarks, hell means Sheol in Hebrew and Hades in Greek. They both mean the common grave.
  • you need to ask god that question
    • Jenny Rizzo
      Maybe the questioner can send God a text message to get an answer?
  • Just as light and darkness exist, God received all the glory when Lucifer rebelled in Heaven by his freewill. Logically, God uses sin to prove that sin is bad. John 1:5 "And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."
    • Jenny Rizzo
      Quote: "The devil was not invented until the time that Persia took control of Israel." The devil was already known as the ancient serpent in the beginning of Creation. Genesis 3:1 "Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?"
    • Jenny Rizzo
      Quote: "Read the Bible carefully and find where Devil, Satan or Lucifer is first mentioned by name." The word Bible is not mentioned in the Bible, yet we know what the Bible is about.
  • Who is Lucifer? If you’re referring to Satan, God created a perfect, intelligent angel. All angels were given free will, the ability to determine right from wrong and choose their own course. Satan means “resister” and devil means “slanderer”. God did not give his perfect angel that name! Those are adjectives that describe the characteristics of the spirit creature that chose to rebel against his Creator. His God-given name is unknown to us, satan the devil is not worthy of having his personal name written in the Holy Scriptures. John 8:44
  • Lucifer / Satan was created an angel and along with all the other angels was given free will...He chose to NOT be obedient to Jehovah god's standards...and so became ' the resistor' Resisting goodness. And is the current main cause of all the worlds problems... But he will be eliminated... (Revelation 6:2) And I saw, and look! a white horse, and the one seated on it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went out conquering and to complete his conquest. (Revelation 12:7-9) And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha
    • pugwashjw65
      Satan and Devil mean Opposer and resistor...And YHWH is the tetragrammaton [ the four letters ] which does translate as Jehovah...a proper first is NOT a title, like LORD or GOD.
    • Jenny Rizzo
      Good comment pugs.
    • pugwashjw65
      Hi Jen....its nice to get support...Pugs.
    • pugwashjw65
      So WHY does the Bible say this? (Psalm 69:30) I will sing praises to the name of God, And I will magnify him with thanksgiving. Name OF God...It does not say " whose name IS God. (Psalm 74:10) How long, O God, will the adversary keep taunting? Will the enemy treat your name with disrespect forever? ReISan, this is what you are doing. (Genesis 4:26) There was also born to Seth a son, and he named him Eʹnosh. At that time people began calling on the name of Jehovah. There he built an altar to Jehovah and began to call on the name of Jehovah. isa 51:15 (Isaiah 51:15) But I am Jehovah your God, Who stirs up the sea and makes its waves boisterous ?Jehovah of armies is his name. IF the term " God:/ god " is a personal name, pertaining to only one spiritual being, then Satan would also HAVE to be " God" (2 Corinthians 4:4) among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through. But commonsense tells us we know that NOT to be true.
  • This is a serious problem with religion. First off, if God exists, but does not interact with us in any material way, there is no way to understand his motives, and therefore, no logical explanation can be made to address your question. Secondly, if a devil exists, yet is completely undetectable to us, then we have no way of knowing that devil's name, let alone whether his name can even be pronounced with the sounds that humans can make, therefore there is no rational way to address this question. Thirdmost, since the stories in the Bible defy all rational thought, there is no way to reasonably address this question.
    • Jenny Rizzo
      If it seems that God does not interact with us, the rational explanation relies on our motives of: the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life. 1 John 2:16 "For all that is in the world, the lust and sensual craving of the flesh and the lust and longing of the eyes and the boastful pride of life [pretentious confidence in one's resources or in the stability of earthly things] these do not come from the Father, but are from the world."
    • pugwashjw65
      But he DOES, Jen...via his force the holy spirit...When on the earth, Jesus prayed for it...It was given [ as a power] to Jesus' can be given to us...if we are obedient [ Matthew 28: 19,20 ] As in the case of Lazarus and Jairus' daughter...and we don't even know her name. WHO benefitted?...Jairus. Mark 5:24...(Luke 8:41-43) But look! a man named Jaʹi?rus came; this man was a presiding officer of the synagogue. And he fell at the feet of Jesus and began to plead with him to come to his house, 42 because his only daughter, who was about 12 years old, was dying. As Jesus was going, the crowds pressed in on him. 43 Now there was a woman who had a flow of blood for 12 years, and she had not been able to get a cure from anyone.
    • Jenny Rizzo
      pugs, hold your horses. I believe God interacts with the righteous. I'm not saying He doesn't. I'm saying God does not interact with people who have wrong motives when praying. James 4:3 "You ask [God for something] and do not receive it, because you ask with wrong motives [out of selfishness or with an unrighteous agenda], so that [when you get what you want] you may spend it on your [hedonistic] desires."
    • bostjan64
      "God ... does not interact with us in any material way" was the statement I made. Obviously, stating that God interacts with us in a spiritual way would be impossible to prove or disprove. I think we can all agree that he doesn't interact in any material way; that is to say that any particular person cannot see, hear, smell, taste or feel him, except to feel in a broad (non-material) way. Since God is not a measurable physical thing, there is no way to explain his actions, real or otherwise, through rational thought. And that ought not to have anything to do with hormonal urges, since there are plenty of asexual folks who also cannot interact with God in a material sense.
    • pugwashjw65
      Out of all the comments, and citations, one sticks out..." I am Jehovah your God " IF the term ' God' is a personal name [ it is not ] then Jehovah is naming himself twice...does not make sense... But with Jehovah being the personal name and ' God' being his TITLE, IT DOES MAKE SENSE... Example...Mr. Smith the Banker...or Mr. Jones the Baker... Name and title..
    • bostjan64
      Who said that "God" was a personal name? There have been countless lives lost in wars over whether God's name was Yaweh, Jehovah, Allah, or whatever. What if they were all wrong?
    • bostjan64
      Thanks for the answer, but I don't understand how it can be proven to any rational standard of scrutiny.
    • bostjan64
      So, in other words, the more religious an argument is, the less sense it ought to make... ...yet in any subject outside of politics and religion, if an argument makes no logical sense, it is dismissed.
    • bostjan64
      I guess Jenny's comments got deleted, so now it looks like I was talking to myself. Whoever moderates these comments, feel free to clean my comments up as well, if appropriate.
  • The same reason people created guns despite knowing all the killing that will happen and it's all they are made for. But they serve the purpose they are made for and not everyone is stupid enough to fall for it or die by it.

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