ANSWERS: 3
  • Animals don't have rights. To be given rights, you have to understand what they are.
    • Shadow
      You’re wrong. Animals do have rights. It’s people like you that is wrong with this messed up world. There are animal rights activists for a reason and vets that care for animals. It sounds like you are insensitive to animals and that is messed up. Rights are not given. Humans and animals are equally born into rights. If you fail to see that you’re messed up in the head
    • Army Veteran
      Animal rights activists are no different than climate change activists. I don't know if you remember, but a while back there was a "save the whales" campaign where the activists wanted people to donate money to save the whales - tell me, Einstein - how much money was given to the whales? The same is true with most other activist causes like "save the rainforests". The problem with activist causes is that they're a scam, for the most part. For every dollar people send to "save this or that", at least 85% of the money goes for "overhead", "salaries" and other enrichment causes. No, I'm not insensitive to animals - you're just too sensitive to everything. You have problems with insecurity.
    • bostjan64
      Humans are a type of animal
    • Army Veteran
      I can't believe the ignorance that makes its way in here.
    • Shadow
      It’s you who is ignorant because you have a problem with animal rights. Not all animal activists are a scam. There are people in this world protecting animals and doing a good cause. If you were not insensitive to animals you would be protecting their rights but you are the opposite of that. I don’t have insecure problems. What makes you think that?
    • Army Veteran
      "Protecting animals" and "animal rights" are NOT the same thing. If you believe that animals have rights, then explain the meat department at Walmart and other food stores. How are butchers allowed to slaughter animals for food? Even God put animals on earth to be used as food for man. God even requires animal sacrifices back in the old testament.
    • bostjan64
      "I can't believe the ignorance that makes its way in here." - are you claiming I am ignorant because I said that humans are a sort of animal? If they are not, then are they plants or something else entirely? Or was your comment not directed toward me?
    • Shadow
      I know very well the difference between animal rights and protecting animals. There are people protecting animals in order to defend animal rights. There’s a connection there which you probably don’t realise. Meat is murder and the people selling meat don’t understand that because they are immoral and no respect for the animals that have been killed to be sold to customers. Now you’re talking bull$hit because there is no such thing as “god”. That’s all in your delusional mind and you can’t prove your point there is a “god”. Religious nut jobs fail to provide physical evidence in that department. You have been brainwashed by someone or a number of people to make you believe in such religious bull$hit. In religion there is usually violence and hatred which explains your problem with animal rights
    • Army Veteran
      "There are people protecting animals in order to defend animal rights." - Protecting animals from something they don't have in the first place? Where does it say that animals have rights? You want to put animals on the same playing field as humans. Okay, so answer this - when humans kill each other they commit a crime and are given some type of punishment. When animals kill each other, who prosecutes them and sentences them to prison? If animals have the same rights as humans, then a lion should be prosecuted and punished when it kills other animals. It's murder, according to your misguided beliefs. Oh...and I was aware that you don't believe in God. You're misguided in that regard, as well. But I won't try to convince you otherwise - it's nothing but a waste of time talking to someone who is in complete denial. It would be better to wait until you get to the end of the book on your own - and let you see the surprise ending.
    • Army Veteran
      @bostjan64 - no, I wasn't commenting about you when I said that. You are right - humans are members of the animal kingdom - but they're on a higher level. This doesn't mean that animals are equal to man as far as rights are concerned. As I've been trying to explain to Mr. I-Don-t-Believe-In-God, God gave mankind dominion over the animals - He gave us animals as food. Thus, animals have no rights because they lack the intellectual capabilities to understand them.
    • Shadow
      They do have rights in the first place. There are animals vulnerable to humans attacking them and often getting killed. You are messed up in the head. Every living thing has rights but you don’t see it that way because you are immoral. Not all people kill but the ones who do end up in prison. There are certain dangerous dogs who wear muzzles for protecting others from harm. You’re talking a load of bull$hit now mentioning lions because they are naturally dangerous and they are in their own territory. The point being is that there are the dangerous type and there are the friendly type of animals and people in the world. Your problem is you don’t properly understand atheism. Atheism is an awareness based on knowledge of reality and logic. Religious nut jobs fail to understand that. It’s religious nut jobs who are in denial with their “god” delusion. You are brainwashed and you don’t realise it. Religious nut jobs are in denial of reality because they are involved in their own mind rather than think outside the box intolerant of anyone who is different. It’s a waste of time communicating with religious nut jobs who are in a fantasy.
    • Army Veteran
      "Every living thing has rights". So, using this logic, if I am committing murder when I eat meat, then you are committing murder when you eat plants. Plants are living things. Let me say this again: "PROTECTING ANIMALS" and "ANIMAL RIGHTS" are NOT the same thing. You are delusional and in deep denial. I've already said that I won't debate anyone who is in denial because it's a waste of time. So if that makes you think you've "WON" then go ahead and think what you want. On a final note about religion, the best way to look at it is - it's better to believe in God and be wrong than to not believe in God and be wrong.
    • Shadow
      It’s the people who have killed the animals for food that are murderers. You don’t need to repeat yourself. As I said before, I know the difference between animal rights and protecting animals. It’s you who is delusional and in denial because you are a religious nut job with your stupid “god” claims that you initiate. All religious nut jobs are in denial of reality because they are involved in their head. You are like talking to a brick wall because you’re as thick as wood. This conversation is getting nowhere. You’re not going to change my mind about it. I know very well what I am saying. You should listen to yourself: “It’s better to believe in god and be wrong” as you say. That means you are in denial and wrong. This conversation is not getting anywhere. Communicating with you is a waste of time. I don’t know why you bother to say anything more because anything you say about animal rights and your pathetic religious talk is sounding foolish. I don’t bother with fools.
    • Creamcrackered
      Shadow, just to get to the point, what is the difference to you, between a Tiger killing a deer and eating it for food, because their are plenty of predators who kill other animals for food, and a human killing a cow and eating it for food?
    • Shadow
      Humans can have morals. Not everyone eats meat. There are vegetarians as well for the reason being they don’t want animals to suffer and get killed for food. Animals don’t have morals but not all of them kill to eat. Some animals are friendly and others are violent. I can see the balancing in nature and that each person has their own nature whether it’s being friendly or a threat to other humans and/or animals. it’s a matter of what side you’re on.
    • Army Veteran
      What your problem seems to be is, you don't know the difference between emotions and logic. Most of your questions here in AB center around emotions in some way and when facts are introduced that lean toward logic, you reject them because they don't fit with your mindset.
    • Shadow
      Wrong Army Veteran. I do know the difference between emotions and logic. Emotions come from within us and logic is a way of thinking. How would you know what mindset I have? It's not like you can get inside my head because that won't happen. I enjoy listening and reading things that are factual. I like to learn about the world I live in and unlike some people, my mind is not on cloud nine. I see things as they really but yet certain things in reality affect me emotionally depending on what it is. I never reject facts and logic. I don't know how you came up with that since you don't know how my mind works.
    • Creamcrackered
      So Shadow, do you believe that humans shouldn't kill animals for meat, because they know animals are sentient beings?
    • Army Veteran
      Calm down, Shadow. You're getting too emotional.
    • Shadow
      Exactly Creamcrackered. Animals have feelings the same as humans which should be respected. Unfortunately not all people see animals as sentient. They are bad people who cause animal suffering and cruelty. As I mentioned before there are people who are either friendly or a threat. I am on the friendly side because it’s not in my nature to kill. I respect life in people and animals unlike some people.
    • Army Veteran
      The reason why it is futile to talk about animal rights is that animals are unable to discern right from wrong by applying moral judgments. They feel no remorse for killing other animals or humans - something you've explained away using the argument of it being in their nature. One example is the family pet that turns on a child. That pet may have "feelings" for the family and even the child, but that doesn't prevent it from reverting to its animal instincts for any reason. When this happens, the animal has no moral reasoning. And this is what makes them different from humans - and this is why they don't have the same rights as humans.
    • Shadow
      They have the right to live their life without a human threatening their life. Animals may not have morals the same as humans but they have feelings. Every living thing has feelings.
    • Army Veteran
      "Every living thing has feelings." - like the plants you eat? Or maybe you'd like to make an exception in that case because it fits your beliefs. ¶ Having a "right to live their life without a human threatening their life" may be true to some extent. But this doesn't mean they deserve the same rights as humans. Animals lack the capability of abstract logic and thus they don't know the difference between right and wrong. This disqualifies them from having rights granted to them. ¶ Your entire argument (again) is based on emotional response. You feel sorry for animals and so, in your defense of animals, you believe that have the same rights as humans.
    • Shadow
      When I talk about animal rights I refer to life itself in which they are entitled to live. Animals have a right to dignity and to live their life but some people don’t see it that way because they are wrong in the head and immoral. Humans may have certain rights that animals don’t but the 3 rights in common between humans and animals is dignity, respect and life. This is coming from a pacifist point of view since I am a pacifist myself respecting life in people and other species.
    • Army Veteran
      A pacifist. That explains everything. You're against everything that would put you in harm's way. When others put their life on the line in the service of their country to protect you, you proudly hide under the bed. I could never be that way - I served my country.
    • Shadow
      You choose to risk your life. Not everyone has the same bravery and possibly a death wish to be a soldier. I’m against violence and war. They are not the solution to resolving problems. Violence and war makes things worse and to participate in it is like a death wish. Some people choose to risk their lives to save their country such as yourself and there are those who don’t have what it takes to be a soldier. There are citizens such as myself who take part in good deeds in many ways. I donate to charities, look after the dogs in my family and work in my local shop to help serve in my community. I have a bed but there is no space for me to hide under it.
    • Army Veteran
      Being a soldier has nothing to do with bravery or some kind of death wish. It has to do with protecting one's rights and the rights of others. You say that you and animals have rights. Who is going to safeguard those rights - you? Obviously, not.
    • Shadow
      It takes bravery to risk your life to protect the country but not everyone is like that. Not everyone can physically defend themselves. Some people are vulnerable to being attacked. When I talk about animal rights I refer to life itself. There are people in this world who are scum for being cruel to animals and that’s why there are services who deal with people like that. They get reported and in some cases they get arrested and put in jail.
    • Army Veteran
      Everything you said was nothing more than your opinion and the function of animal abuse agencies. Abusing animals is not the same as using them as food. Protecting them from abuse is a moral issue, not one of rights. You're making emotional assertions based on your pacifist mindset as you change the rules to fit your limited criteria. You claim that every living thing has rights but skirt around the fact that plants are living creatures, too. You remain quiet on that issue because you're guilty of using them as food.
    • Shadow
      I don’t eat plants. Everything I said is more than an opinion. I speak on behalf of people in my position who support animal rights. Animals have the right to live as I said before but some people have a problem with that because they are barbaric and wrong in the head. Meat is murder which some people don’t understand because they are wrong in the head. I know very well plants are living things.
  • I imagine those people only have a problem when theirs are trodden on. Animals are protected by a Welfare Legislation act in the UK, this is because animals like humans can suffer, and humans recognise that.
    • Army Veteran
      No one said anything about "animal protection". Animal protection is different from "having rights". God put animals on earth as food for humans - clearly, this doesn't suggest having "rights". People who claim that animals "have rights" are putting animals in the same category as humans who have "unalienable rights". Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness fall apart when it comes to animals. No animal is guaranteed any of these rights.
    • Creamcrackered
      The Human rights act, protects a humans welfare, but also their rights and freedoms. The Animal Welfare legislation act, protects an animals welfare, from unnecessary suffering, it's the closest it gets, to an animal saying I have a right not to "suffer," at the hands of a human. Proverbs 12:10 “A righteous man cares for the needs of his animal, but the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel." Just because you own animals and use them for meat, doesn't mean they have to suffer. Shadow didn't state unalienable rights, he said rights. And humans don't really have rights either, they have a court of law, and the person who wins, depends on the argument made, or the proof provided, it doesn't depend on TRUTH, this is why murderers, rapists, paedophiles etc get away with crimes. Even more so if the offender has money, they can pretty much get away with murder, especially if they are related to someone connected to "the system." I have now read the exchanges though Army V, and can see this is not what I thought it was. This is about humans eating meat, not what rights protect animals, and from what.
    • Shadow
      I refer to people’s right to live their life and a court of law has nothing to do with that. It’s to do with nature. Everyone is born into the right to live the same as an animal. There are animal rights groups for a reason in order to protect them from harm. When a lion or tiger for instance runs to the victim for a kill, the victim will make a run for their life because they are being threatened.
    • Creamcrackered
      So you are recognising animals as sentient beings, as I said on the other comments Shadow.
    • Shadow
      I responded to your comment under the other answer. You can respond to me here in the comments section below your answer.
  • What do you define as a serious problem? Who are you to be setting standards? What rights do animals actually have?
    • Army Veteran
      They have the right to remain silent. If they give up that right, they can have an attorney present during questioning - if they can't afford one, an attorney will be appointed without cost. ¶ They have the right to bear arms (although they'd look funny with their fur shaved off). They have the right to due process and the right to free speech.
    • Shadow
      11stevo73, animals have the right to live but some people don’t see it that way because they are immoral and barbaric people who think it’s ok to kill animals for food. Those people are sick in the head. It’s a serious problem when some people in the world who have a problem with rights for animals. Life is given to every species and it’s morally wrong to take away a life. I could be talking to a brick wall with some people who understand about rights in animals. There are animals who are vulnerable to becoming extinct due to violence in some people.
    • 11stevo73
      Half of my work is on farms. Aminals have the right to eat grass untill we decide its time to eat them. What do you think a farmer does when birds are eating his crops? Go and talk to property developers that steal habbit from native animals. What do you do with vermin birds nesting in your roof? We are the dominate speicies on the planet at this point in time. Have a nice steak and a couple of beers. Usually we have 2 or 3 steaks .
    • Shadow
      Obviously you don’t get the point I am making. There is no point in this conversation any further since you are among those with no respect for the life of animals. It’s like you are trying to rub my face in it by saying have a nice steak. Those animals did nothing wrong to you but you take away their right to life. I might as well talk to a wall with you because you don’t understand where I am coming from. As I said before there is no point going further with this because you fail to understand me and that’s your problem.
    • 11stevo73
      there is something wrong with you boy . Enjoy starvation.
    • Shadow
      There is something wrong with you. There are other foods to eat besides meat. Animal killer!

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