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  • YOU'RE NOT! The people helping them are. And they also help those who have put themselves in the hospital by smoking, overeating, drinking to excess, doing drugs... "Fifty percent of the determinants of health are due to our behaviors; 20 percent to environmental factors; 20 percent to genetics; and only 10 percent to having access to medical care." Why do you think its your job to determine who should get health care and who shouldn't?
    • Hulk70156
      Where did you get those statistics?
    • Linda Joy
      I googled it and got over 673,000 results. Here's one: https://www.americanactionforum.org/research/understanding-the-social-determinants-of-health/ Now you answer my question: Why do you think its your job to determine who should get health care and who shouldn't?
    • Hulk70156
      @Linda Joy: Re "Now you answer my question: Why do you think its your job to determine who should get health care and who shouldn't?" A). Okay I will - Because stupid people who are too lazy and stupid to get vaxed and who only care about themselves, shouldn't allowed to endanger the good people who adhere to the safeguards of the pandemic. They should get a taste of their own medicine. We should treat them like they treat others. Dominance and fear is the only language they understand. - That's why!
    • Hulk70156
      You can't fix stupid - "Larry the Cable Guy"
    • Linda Joy
      You don't even know if they are stupid, lazy or unvaxed! You're just laying those labels on them without even knowing! THAT'S STUPID! How do you know they haven't survived the disease and have natural antibodies? That's just the point you don't. And you have absolutely no right to force your beliefs on others. You don't like it when others force their beliefs on you! No one is forcing you to take your mask off or preventing you from getting your vaccine! And you don't know what language "they" speak! You've proved that! BTW, Did you know "Larry the Cable Guy" is from somewhere in the midwest and doesn't even really have a southern accent? Did you also know it wasn't "Larry the Cable Guy" that said that, it was Ron White! But for you... I'll impersonate Bill Engvall and tell YOU, 'here's your sign'!! lol After that you at least deserve a laugh. Here's Bill's song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5ZkdHImCuQ
    • Hulk70156
      Linda Re "And you have absolutely no right to force your beliefs on others" __A) Actually you are wrong. I do have a right to force my opinion on others. There is a pandemic out there and Anti-vaxers/maskers are killing the rest of the unvaxed. That's a pretty good reason to force my opinion on others.
    • Linda Joy
      The virus is killing very few. Should no one be allowed to have sex because of the possibility of STD's? Should no one be allowed to eat meat because it COULD be contaminated with ecoli, salmonella, BSE, trichinosis, scrapie? You just want to control the decisions of others and force them to do what YOU want.
    • Hulk70156
      The doctors are telling us to wear masks, not to become celibate. Why did you come up with that?
  • Don't buy into the "filling our hospital beds" claim - they tried that once before and independent videographers documented the claim to be a lie. Of course, you believe everything you're told by the Biden circus, so you may just have to hunker down with a mask and stay indoors.
    • Hulk70156
      @1464 - Please explain " Don't buy into the "filling our hospital beds" claim - they tried that once before and independent videographers documented the claim to be a lie" ___A) I got my info from the news.
    • 1465
      You got your info from which fake news agency - CNN, MSNBC, the New York Slimes...? Ya know...there was documented video of that exact thing. Somehow, as per every other anti-Liberal video, there is no record of it on Youtube. But please do explain how it is that the Leftist narrative can be found in abundance on social media but Conservative material and anything that doesn't agree with the Liberal agenda is nowhere to be seen? Do you honestly think that it doesn't exist? Why are "documented" events only one-sided? Explain how that isn't censorship - and explain why such censorship should take place?
    • Hulk70156
      1465: BULLYING, racism, PERSONAL ATTACKS, HARASSEMENT, or discrimination is prohibited. Negative racial/anti -Semitic stereotypes are prohibited. No advertising or spamming is permitted. If in doubt, leave it out. Discussion of suicide or self-harm is not tolerated and will result in an immediate ban. Please seek professional guidance. Everyone has their own opinion. Be RESPECTFUL even if you disagree.
    • Hulk70156
      1465: The only people trying to confuse you on the Covid Crisis are the same people who support the guy who tried to buy Greenland, and are being sued by Dominion Voting Machines for $1B and Smartmatic for 3B - Fox News. You are funny.
    • Hulk70156
      1465:Just for my personal information, if we succeeded in actually buying Greenland and they signed over all their people, government and land to the United States, how would we get around our own slavery laws?
    • Charin Cross
      yup 1465, more scare tactics by MSM.
    • Linda Joy
      Hulk, nothing he said in that post goes against the terms of service, so why would you repost them? And the social media apps ARE censoring people and only publishing liberal opinions and supposedly fact checking anything they disagree with.
    • Hulk70156
      Linda, There is no leftist media in the US. There is conservative media, like Fox, Newsmax and OAN but there is no leftist media. The New York Times is centrist. The fact that we don't believe a President who wants to buy Greenland doesn't make us leftist - it makes us intelligent.
    • Hulk70156
      BTW if we really did have leftist media, healthcare for all would have happened by now and we would have never wound up in Vietnam, Panama or Afghanistan because leftists are anti-war.
  • any way we do it, we need to get this under control
  • That's odd, most people dying of Covid in the UK, have been vaccinated according the report of Public Health England. Quote "The report shows that 163 of the 257 people (63.4%) who died of the delta variant within 28 days of a positive COVID test between February 1 and June 21, had received at least one dose of the vaccine. At first glance, this may seem alarming, but it is exactly as would be expected. Here's a simple thought experiment: imagine everyone is now fully vaccinated with COVID vaccines—which are excellent but can't save all lives. Some people who get infected with COVID will still die. All of these people will be fully vaccinated—100%. That doesn't mean vaccines aren't effective at reducing death. The risk of dying from COVID doubles roughly every seven years older a patient is. The 35-year difference between a 35-year-old and a 70-year-old means the risk of death between the two patients has doubled five times—equivalently it has increased by a factor of 32. An unvaccinated 70-year-old might be 32 times more likely to die of COVID than an unvaccinated 35-year-old. This dramatic variation of the risk profile with age means that even excellent vaccines don't reduce the risk of death for older people to below the risk for some younger demographics. PHE data suggests that being double vaccinated reduces the risk of being hospitalized with the now-dominant delta variant by around 96%. Even conservatively assuming the vaccines are no more effective at preventing death than hospitalization (actually they are likely to be more effective at preventing death) this means the risk of death for double vaccinated people has been cut to less than one-twentieth of the value for unvaccinated people with the same underlying risk profile. However, the 20-fold decrease in risk afforded by the vaccine isn't enough to offset the 32-fold increase in underlying risk of death of an 70-year-old over a 35-year-old. Given the same risk of infection, we would still expect to see more double-vaccinated 70-year-olds die from COVID than unvaccinated 35-year-olds. There are caveats to that simple calculation. The risk of infection is not the same for all age groups. Currently, infections are highest in the youngest and lower in older age groups. Think of it as ball-bearing rain One way to imagine the risk is as a rain of differently sized ball bearings falling from the sky, where the ball bearings are the people that get infected with COVID. For simplicity's sake, let's assume there are roughly equal numbers of ball bearings in each age group. In each age category, there is also a variation in the size of the balls. The balls representing the older groups are smaller, representing a higher risk of death. Now imagine there's a sieve that catches many of the balls. Most people who get COVID will not die (most balls get caught in the sieve). But some of the smaller balls fall through. The older you are, the more likely you are to fall through the holes. The balls that make it through the first sieve are hugely skewed towards older age ranges, represented by the smaller ball bearings. Before COVID vaccines came along, the people that fell through the holes represented the people who would die of COVID. The risk was massively skewed towards older people. Vaccination provides a second sieve underneath the first, to prevent people from dying. This time, because we haven't vaccinated everyone, it's the holes in the sieve that are of different sizes. For older people who've had both doses, the holes are smaller, so many ball-bearings are stopped. The vaccines will save many of those who would previously have died. For younger people the holes in the vaccine sieve are currently bigger as they are less likely to have received both doses and so more likely to fall through the sieve. If all the filtering were just done by the second sieve (with no skew in risk of death by age, represented by the first sieve), then we might expect younger unvaccinated people to account for a larger proportion of the deaths. But it isn't. The first sieve is so hugely biased towards older people that even with vaccination, more of them slip through the second sieve than the younger unvaccinated people. Given the UK's vaccination strategy (vaccinate older, more vulnerable people first), you would expect high proportions of the people who die from COVID to have been vaccinated. And that is exactly what we see in the data. The fact that more vaccinated people are dying than unvaccinated people does nothing to undermine vaccine safety or effectiveness. In fact, it's exactly what we'd expect from the excellent vaccines, which have already saved tens of thousands of lives. Correction: An earlier version of this article stated: "The report shows that 163 of the 257 people (63.4%) who died within 28 days of a positive COVID test between February 1 and June 21, had received at least one dose of the vaccine." It should have read: "The report shows that 163 of the 257 people (63.4%) who died of the delta variant within 28 days of a positive COVID test between February 1 and June 21, had received at least one dose of the vaccine" So there you go, a younger person not vaccinated will still be at less risk of dying from Covid, than someone older, or who has underlying health issues and vaccinated. So now everyone gets to test out the vaccine by all restrictions being lifted and everyone mixing under the false security that somehow they won't die if they catch covid. Me personally, I look to those who work on my local council, and I can tell you this, none of them have gone back to work, they are still working from home, and that's all I need to know. If someone is telling you to do something, when not doing it themselves, then you have to question the information.
    • Hulk70156
      CC: The "data" here is outrageous. You need to cite your sources. Second, only having one dose of a two dose vaccine helps you some but not against Delta because its more contagious and more deadly. and Third, learn to be more concise. What you wrote was 7 pages long. You need to write an answer, not a term paper. I don't have the energy to read what you just wrote.
    • Linda Joy
      So... how do you know what she wrote is outrageous if you didn't even read it?
    • Hulk70156
      Linda, I read the first few lines. I'm out of school. I don't have to read term papers anymore.
    • Creamcrackered
      I've declared my sources Hulk, Public Health England, which I quoted hence the seven pages long, but if you can't be bothered to read it, then you aren't really that interested Hulk. If I'd answered Public Health England state that the majority of people in the UK who are now dying of Covid are vaccinated you wouldn't of believed me either, you are simply argumentative.
    • Hulk70156
      Okay, here is the real reason for that phenomenon. It has NOTING to do with the efficacy of the vaccine.___A) The risk of dying from COVID doubles roughly every seven years older a patient is. The 35-year difference between a 35-year-old and a 70-year-old means the risk of death between the two patients has doubled five times – equivalently it has increased by a factor of 32. An unvaccinated 70-year-old might be 32 times more likely to die of COVID than an unvaccinated 35-year-old. This dramatic variation of the risk profile with age means that even excellent vaccines don’t reduce the risk of death for older people to below the risk for some younger demographic
    • Hulk70156
      In other words, according to that study you wanted to have me read, Creamcrackered, Covid risks increases of death every 7 years for AGE reasons, not vaccination reasons you dunderheads. lol
    • Creamcrackered
      I didn't say it had to do with the efficacy of the vaccine Hulk, I said most people now being hospitalised or dying of Covid are those already vaccinated, since most people have been vaccinated in the UK, secondly as the data which you originally refused to read because it was too long for you, showed you that the reason for this is because older people or those with underlying health conditions are still more likely to die with Covid, than younger fit people, they have some protection but this vaccine doesn't stop you catching Covid or transmitting it. The assumption was all on your part as you immediately stated that the data was "outrageous" before actually reading it, and understanding the logic, hence you are the dunderhead.
    • Hulk70156
      Creamcrackered - You're the one who is gong to wind up in the hospital for stupidity. Not me. I'm not the dunderhead. lol
  • I could be wrong...but I'm pretty sure the doctors and nurses and hospitals are being paid to help them. So: those parties WANT to help them. Capitalism.
    • Hulk70156
      Doctors and nurses are upset because 1) their injuries are caused by stupidity, and 2) they are taking beds away from people with other injuries. 3) Some of those with legitimate injuries are dying. and 4) patients are being lined up in the halls and offices of the hospital so the hospital cannot treat them all.
    • Hulk70156
      And they've already started to ration care in Idaho. It won't be long before we let them all die. Good thing is that they're just the Trumpsters who will bit the bullet.
    • Hulk70156
      And today I heard that Alaska is turning people away because they don't have enough beds. It won't be long before the gay loving, pot smoking liberals of Washington State will have to take care of them too. lol

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