• I can't speak on the cult side of it, but the big difference between JH and Mormon from Christians is the lack of belief in the holy trinity, which by definition is one of the cornerstones of the faith and technically makes mormons and JW a non-christian religion.
  • 1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies. 2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult. 3. the object of such devotion. 4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc. 5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols. 6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader. 7. the members of such a religion or sect. 8. any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific. Which definition of "cult" are you referring to?
    • pugwashjw65
      You said...quote " . 6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader... J.W'S do not have such a leader...So WE do not qualify as a ' cult '. Your own words... WE do have a governing body [ of men ] but so does every organization on this earth...None of them publicise themselves and have the same duties as any ordinary member of the congregation.
  • For practical purposes, a cult is a very small religion. If a cult gains enough adherents it will be regarded as a religion eventually.
  • Because their belief system strays pretty far from what we typically think of as a Christian chuch (be it Catholic or Protestant).
  • Nothing at all.
  • Cult=religion not yet holding seats in government.
  • Generally, what makes a religious group "cultish" is that it encourages, or even forces, its members to cut themselves off from members of society which are not part of their group. The most obvious is when converts have to cut of contact with their families, but cutting off contact with "ordinary" society is a bad sign.
  • Those groups would not agree that they are. So I would would say it is who is doing the defining. +5
  • a cult doesn't have to be small group. look at cat-holics, muslems, JW's, Mormons, Buddist, hendos.
  • That they spend the bulk of their time trying to prove that they're not cults. And that each and every one of them started off as a doomsday cult, which never occured.
  • Cults are secretive and closed, usually with a single charismatic leader. To my knowledge, all 3 groups mentioned have meetings which are open to the public and will tell you whatever you want to know about their beliefs. In fact, LDS' and JWs will come to your house and share far more than you ever wanted know about what they believe and why. Cults don't operate like that.
  • Some people just consider any religion that does not believe what they believe to be a cult. If a religion was popular, that would lead me to believe that they were not teaching the truth. / (2Tim3:12; 1Pet2:11-12; John15:18-20; John17:14-16; Acts8:1);1Pet2:11-12;John15:18-20;John17:14-16;Acts8:1;&version=77;49;9;16;45;
    • pugwashjw65
      By all means, cite your references, but no one is going to look them up.
  • what makes a group 'cultists' are the people doing the labeling....if it's not your thing don't go and move on....I am none of the 3 btw...
  • What makes any of the others any less of a cult?
  • Seventh Day Adventist and Mormon are actually registered religions. Jehovah Witness is not.
    • pugwashjw65
      WE are a legal entity...and are recognized by governments as a religious to ' being registered'...WE do have a registered name...The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania Inc.
  • Only one thing, they have the lowest numbers.
  • Jesus Christ and his followers were a cult. More so than any mentioned here. The difference is, Jesus was the truth, while all the others only have some of the truth and a bunch of man made dogma. The three mentioned here probably have more truth than most other main stream religions. The Catholics and Protestants have horrendous histories. The Baptist and Pentecostals have strange practices. It is true, the bigger the church is the more comfortable people feel about it. But the three mentioned are pretty big organizations. People call other groups cults mostly based on the fact that they disagree with them. If you are raised Catholic, you think everybody else is wrong and strange. To label someone a cult is a weapon to deter other people from taking that particular group seriously or to scare them away. It's a put down, "Oh, they're a cult."XXX Well it's mostly ridiculous. There have been cases where the people were wacko and obsessed, where they ended up killing themselves or causing themselves to get killed as a self fulfilled prophecy. But when you try to put groups you don't agree with in that category, it's just a travesty. I saw someone mention that if you don't believe in the Holy Trinity then you're in a cult. That's ridiculous. Find the Holy Trinity in the Bible and show it to me. I guarantee I can shoot that argument down. If you study the Bible with no outside influences you would never come up with a Holy Trinity. It's a pagan concept adopted by the Catholics. People are so misinformed, and those are the ones who usually do the labeling.
    • pugwashjw65
      Well put...
  • Becuase their message and facts are super faulty. The mormons makes no sense at all. Like, at all. LoL. Its written in old english, bad old english...which they werent even speaking at the time, the cities that are mentioned in the book of mormon...the pyramids, and cities mentioned there is NO EVIDENCE whatso ever, no remains...nothing. Its just faulty, and full of deciet. Seven Day adventist...they are correct about saturday...but the sports thing, and the dancing...and all that, is kinda nonsense...and it takes it just alittle bit to far. Jahovah witness, says that that Jesus ressurected only in the spirit and not in the flesh...EVEN THOUGH He appeared to people, and showed himself. They also think he is just a reflection of God, and Jesus is also the arch angel michael... So........................That, is why they are cults. It is only mass confusion, unfactual facts...and nonsense. They all believe in the bible, but either take it to extreme...OR...dont even teach what is actually in the bible. - that is what we call antichrist. Well...7th day adventists arent that bad, just...take things to litteral or misinturpret.
    • pugwashjw65
      Your comment " Jesus ressurected only in the spirit and not in the flesh" is wrong...The Bible clearly states that after resurrection, Jesis spent 40 days on the earth with his discipes, even eating with them, before being taken back to his father, Jehovah. (Luke 24:42) So they handed him a piece of broiled fish,
  • There are different definitions of cult. Usually you'll find people who treat the definitions scientifically, or call themselves experts on cults, will have a list of factors that make up cults. And I am not sure the groups you've listed would be a cult in those definitions. But a lot of groups still call them cults, because the weird beliefs of wider groups are shared by - well, a wide group. The weird beliefs of the smaller groups are seen as weird by the wider groups, and therefore THOSE weird beliefs are "cultish".
  • They don't have the same God or Jesus of the Bible. To be breif; JW God the father Bible Father Son Holy Ghost. 7SA Jesus Micheal a angel. Bible God. Mormons Jesus born from sex. Bible Virgin birth And I could go on and on about all 3, but they are not the only ones, I guess(in a nutshell, real Christanity is Orthadoxy) BIBLE FAITH IN THE REAL CHRIST
  • Study different religions it will become clear.
  • I think most woulds say it's due to "Secret Acts/rituals" which occur in ascension to higher church office and weddings. It's strange, they all have (In most cases) the same bible, but how they've perceived it and what they believe it says, are quite different. Personally, I wouldn't call them cults anymore then I'd call some of the Muslim sects cult, it's just different to perceptions of religion as a whole.
  • I know more about the JW's so I'll leave it to others to explain the 7DA's and Mormons. The JW's resulted from a few, I think sincere people who were not happy with their church and they took it upon themselves to look at the bible, seemingly with the assumption all the answers could be found therein. That in and of itself gets them cult status in some peoples thinking. Disfellowshipping gets JW's a lot a bad press. That is when someone is an unrepentant sinner, the rest of the group are supposed to ignore them. They also guard their association (based on the bible)and take it to mean, don't hang out with anyone who is not a member in good standing. Above all the JW's get bad press because they follow the gospel's admonition to abstain from blood.So, that means they will not accept a blood transfusion. All the above were more severe in the early days of the JW's. Like many other religions as they grow they moderate. I last heard the blood issue was to be considered a matter of conscience, that is it was left ultimately to the members to decide. I feel the above gives them points on the cult continuum. But, I don't like to call them a cult because it's such a loaded word. I don't think JW's are dangerous.
    • pugwashjw65
      Dangerous??? in what way...Are you threatened at your front door...What is the basis of your fear...that we might be RIGHT...about the coming last days??? It even scares us it will be so bad...Timing?? We do not know...(Matthew 24:36) ?Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father. Not even Jesus...who is the one selected to carry out this cleansing... Do WE, like the Muslims, get our way by explosives???? No. Just by a message...about the Kingdom... So being dangerous???I think not.
  • Beliefs have nothing to do with whether a group is a cult or not. What distinguishes a cult is whether it employs deception in recruiting and uses threats or intimidation to retain members. Also, most cults have all powerful, charismatic leaders. Do the Seventh Day Adventist Church, Mormons, and Jehovah Witnesses use deception when they recruit? Do they threaten or intimidate members who try to leave? Do they claim that their leaders are all-knowing? If so, they're cults. If not, they're not.Note that threatening people with eternal damnation counts as threatening.
  • I have heard at different times from different people that if you believe these scriptures, you may be a cult.;James4:4;2Cor10:3-4;rom12:17-19;1cor5:11-13;&version=77;47;31;49;51; /././;1Cor8:5-6;1cor11:3;1cor15:50;&version=77;47;31;49;51; /././;Acts5:42;Acts20:20;;James2:24-26;2Tim3:16;&version=77;47;31;49;51; /././;Rom6:23;Rom6:7;&version=77;47;31;49;51; (John15:19;James4:4;2Cor10:3-4;rom12:17-19;1cor5:11-13) (John17:3;1Cor8:5-6;1cor11:3;1cor15:50) (Mat28:19-20;Acts5:42;Acts20:20;;James2:24-26;2Tim3:16) (Ezek18:4;Rom6:23;Rom6:7)
    • pugwashjw65
      Hey Tex...No one will bother to look up all those texts...cite them please...
  • The biggest reason is because the Orthodox Christians got together and decided what a Cult was. Using as their criteria any and all of those religions which do not meet with their agenda. And by their standards, the Church which Jesus organized while he was on earth would also be a "Cult." But I'm sure most Orthodox Christians do not know this. So much for opinions...Later
  • I dont think the 7th day adventists fit in the catagories.
  • the all-knowing WIKI has an answer for you ...
  • A cult is any denomination or "ism" which teaches or promotes an alternative or parallel route or pathway to salvation other than through acceptance by faith in Jesus Christ as the ONLY true and living Son of GOD.
  • I don't know about the 7th Day Adventists but there is (I believe I remember reading) a passage in the New Testament that says something like- Do not go door to door, uninvited. Well, both the mormons and jw's both do this so they are in direct violation of Christian teachings. I would say this alone, is enough to make them cults. Because they can't read LOL.
    • pugwashjw65
      To make your point, you should cite the text...otherwise it is just your opinion... The direction is clear...GO door to door, and permission is NOT necessary. (Matthew 24:14) And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come. (Acts 5:42) And every day in the temple and from house to house they continued without letup teaching and declaring the good news about the Christ, Jesus.
  • Au Contraire.....First, both the Mormons and Jehovahs Witnesses are cults, in relation to the Christian church, because their belief system widely departs from the distinguishing beliefs of the Christian church. I am not a Seventh Day Adventist, and they are certainly a fundamental church, but they are part of the Christian church because the beliefs they hold soundly uphold the beliefs that make a Christian church Christian. If you wish to see these beliefs go to They list about 25 beliefs here. Not all are essential, but numbers 1,2,3,4,5,9 and 10 most certainly are. If a group does not hold at least these 7 essentials of belief, and call themselves Christian, then they are a cult. This would most certainly include Mormons and Jehovahs Witnessess. Their arguments are confusing, but at the end of the day, they deny these distinguishing beliefs. This would also include most of the great well know religions of the world, Hinduism, Buddism, etc. Now before some go into paroxysms of hate and denunciation, I am not suggesting that anyone should be shot. Simply noting that since their belief systems are widely divergent from the Christian belief system...they are not Christian. Perhaps a religion, but certainly not the Christian religion. The Mormons and the Jehovahs Witnesses, however, claim to be Christian and then redefine their words to appear like they are Christians while denying the Christian essentials. Bottom line, they are cults.
    • pugwashjw65
      And WHAT makes the mainline belief systems so RIGHT...???? The RCC in all its finery clearly disobeys this one...(Exodus 20:4, 5) ?You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth. 5 You must not bow down to them nor be enticed to serve them, for I, Jehovah your God, am a God who requires exclusive devotion, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation of those who hate me, And this HAS to include statues of Mary with Jesus as a baby......of anything ...
  • They are not, the term "cult" is often used as a synonyme of "unpopular" or "unusual" both of which are not necessarily negative when it comes to spirituality.
  • American Heritage Dictionary NOUN: 1. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader. 2. The followers of such a religion or sect. 2. A system or community of religious worship and ritual. 3. The formal means of expressing religious reverence; religious ceremony and ritual. 4. A usually nonscientific method or regimen claimed by its originator to have exclusive or exceptional power in curing a particular disease. 5. 1. Obsessive, especially faddish, devotion to or veneration for a person, principle, or thing. 2. The object of such devotion. 6. An exclusive group of persons sharing an esoteric, usually artistic or intellectual interest. It's funny how most of this could apply to any religious organization including the Amish, Jews, and Catholics. I always thought that any group that wouldn't let "outsiders" in was a cult. Or that they discouraged you from communication outside of your "group". I know the SDA church does not do this. I've heard that Jehovah Witnesses do though. And the Mormons seemed are very secretive about their practices.
    • pugwashjw65
      WHO and WHERE is the " charismatic and authoritarian " leader of the modern J.W's???? Even some Witnesses themselves do not know the name of the Governing Body...the small group of devoted men who have the same and more responsibilities as any congregation member...
  • Look on web for JW's cults. also JW's jokes
    • pugwashjw65
      Seen the good one about the two bean bags lying still when the witnesses come knocking...HAHAHAHAHAHA. We do have a good laugh.
  • Jesus said something like "Who lights a candle and then puts it under a bushel?" If the mormons have THE TRUE CHURCH then why did their converts have to agree to have their throats cut if they gave up the secrets of the church? Or is this just another myth bantered about by the mormon-bashers.? I would say this alone, makes the mormons a cult. I don't know much about the other two.
    • pugwashjw65
      At last an honest answer...just the other day I had two young Mormon " Elders", come to my own front door...and I asked them if they had a Bible...Yes, they said...So I said " look up Exodus 6:3. They did...and found almighty God's NAME.. Jehovah !!!. IN THEIR OWN BIBLE...and that name must be made MANIFEST...PUBLICISED... Sadly, Mormons do not do that....
  • J.W's are not a cult...because they / WE stick to Bible truths and not any ideas of man. As to the comment by ' the Kingcobra63' , there is no Biblical support for the trinity teaching... which requires equality...between Jehovah God and jesus [ father and son] there is NO equality...the son is lesser than the father...even though they think the same, they are two separate identities,,,and Jesus prayed to his father, accepting the lesser role. And the father [Jehovah] gave credit to his son... (Matthew 24:36)
    • pugwashjw65
      I AM SURPRISED...NO comments on my statement...Where are the scriptures to shoot me down? Cannot any be found?
    • Jenny_Rizzo
      Have some patience. Quote: "And the father [Jehovah] gave credit to his son... (Matthew 24:36)" That's because Jesus was a MAN when He spoke of His human nature. Matthew 24:36 "But of that day and hour knoweth [no man], no, not the angels of Heaven, but my Father only."
  • Zippo! Actually one of the most compelling things that makes me an atheist is that every single religion in the world (out of hundreds if not thousands) claims to be the ONLY real religion and the only religion that, if followed, will keep one from the fires of hell. Does that sound more like the words of someone selling "snake oil" (or a timeshare) or the words of a person who has attained an enlightened religious state? It basically is all I need to see that religion is all about power and wealth and nothing about true enlightenment.
  • As gar as Im concerned
  • As far as I'm concerned there are 3 huge cults: Jehovahs Witness, Mormons, and Scientology. The one thing they all share is segregation from society. They dont want their members socializing with non-members let alone marrying. They may seem friendly while trying to lure you in but are you goi g to dinner with them or hanging out or going to the movies? No you are not. They discourage their memberships from actual contact with anyone outside their cult and that includes your own family and friends. Women are expected to know their place. Its not something they advertise but the nuances are there and once inside you find the reality that men run the show. All 3 cults got their start under very odd events. You can Google them. They are just shady groups that you are best to stay clear of.
    • pugwashjw65
      The Bible itself puts women in a respected protected class of being supporters...just a Eve was to Adam...Their God given role is as nurturers, not leaders.
    • Mircat
      There is a difference between protection and repression.
  • You are misinformed. The Seventh-Day Adventists are extremely devoted to the Bible. In fact, they are the most unique denomination with 25 million active and growing rapidly. The Adventists perspective is to teach The Holy Bible, The Sabbath, Diet, Equality, Prophecy and most importantly Jesus! which is the ONLY name under Heaven to confess. Acts 4:12 "Neither is there Salvation in any other: for there is none other name under Heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
    • Jenny_Rizzo
      A side note: do a research on the other denominations. They don't adhere to the Bible, and they impose other names that go against Acts 4:12.
  • not sure

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